RE: Noble to uprate the M15?
RE: Noble to uprate the M15?
Tuesday 19th September 2006

Noble uprates the M15 supercar

Mystery backer's cash confirms 2007 launch


Noble M15
Noble M15
Noble is planning a new, faster version of the 455bhp M15, with the help of a new, anonymous investor -- even before the M15 has been released to customers.

Details are scarce. Noble spokesman Peter Boutwood said: "The time we have had with the Noble M15 prototype has enabled us to do some further research and development. During the course of this positive and informative R&D we have found some significant improvements which we are implementing to the production M15.

"The car will look visually almost identical to the press prototype. Obviously we could have continued with the production of the original M15 and released the uprated version at a later date. This we felt would be both counter productive and unfair to our current customers awaiting delivery of the M15."

Boutwood confirmed that the car would based on the M15 chassis and outline, but that it would have more power with other components such as suspension and brakes uprated to match. It will remain a road car, not a track-only tool.

Boutwood couldn't say whether the engine would be new or if the existing three-litre V6 would be tweaked to suit. However, while he refused  to rule out the possibility that Noble might at some point design its own engine, he also said that early prototypes of the uprated M15 were planned to be up and running early in 2007 -- too soon to produce and build a new engine.

The news came out as a result of company owner Lee Noble issuing a rather cryptic note to the Noble Owners Club as follows:

"As enthusiastic and loyal Noble owners I wanted you all to be one of the first to know that there have been some exciting and positive changes within the business structure of Noble Automotive.

"For some time now I have been working towards assuring the continued financial security that would enable me to further develop the Noble brand. I am very happy to announce that I have now, with immediate effect, successfully teamed with a dedicated owner who shares my commitment, passion and vision for the future of Noble cars and their continued production and development.

"We are now in the best place we have ever been…the world’s best affordable supercar is about to get even better."

Boutwood also couldn't say who the new investor was -- he wants to remain private -- but the amount involved would appear to be above £1 million. The investor is not a PHer, according to Boutwood.

According to an interview with Car magazine (see link below), Lee Noble said that the new backer replaces David Jones, chairman of high street fashion chain Next. "He's gone and it's a good thing too", said Noble.

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hendry

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1,945 posts

305 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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Hmm, Noble has had rather a lot of backers. He started off with Moy (he of Page & Moy) when it was Noble Moy Automotive; sounds like David Jones has been and gone too. Given that Noble's sales go from strength to strength, can we assume that the only difficulty is getting along with Lee Noble...

paulcundy

1,897 posts

288 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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Even faster!

So whats uprated;

Carbon wheels?
Carbon body
Chargecoolers
Ceramic brakes
Audi engine






Edited by paulcundy on Tuesday 19th September 11:05

sprinter885

11,550 posts

250 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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Guess it goes to prove no matter how great a car you make it requires huge investment as well as committment, expertise & dedication. scratchchin Potential buyers of Aston Martin (Ltd) take note. teacher

BoRED S2upid

20,978 posts

263 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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Well played Noble I say. How many other car companies would have held back these improvements for after market upgrades or a new improved version in 12 months time.

Any PHers got an order in for one of these?

Al 450

1,390 posts

244 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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sprinter885 said:
Guess it goes to prove no matter how great a car you make it requires huge investment as well as committment, expertise & dedication. scratchchin Potential buyers of Aston Martin (Ltd) take note. teacher


I'm not sure if £1m represents a 'huge' investment in low volume brit sports car terms but it might be just enough to tool up a new cup holder for a volume manufacturer.

Anyway good work Noble, just please don't develop your own engine ffs!

RR-Eng

5,458 posts

256 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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Al 450 said:
sprinter885 said:
Guess it goes to prove no matter how great a car you make it requires huge investment as well as committment, expertise & dedication. scratchchin Potential buyers of Aston Martin (Ltd) take note. teacher


I'm not sure if £1m represents a 'huge' investment in low volume brit sports car terms but it might be just enough to tool up a new cup holder for a volume manufacturer.

Anyway good work Noble, just please don't develop your own engine ffs!


Yep if Noble are selling 150-200 cars per year their turnover is in the range of £6-10 million.

Agreed on the don't develop your own engine sentiment, unless what they are planning to do is to upgrade existing engines in house.

Beefmeister

16,482 posts

253 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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I agree - just look at the trouble TVR has had with its own engines.

Get rid of the Ford lump - go for the Audi V8 from the RS4 i'd say.

Then do something with the styling.

I noticed it says that it will have the outline of the M15 press car - which i interpret that they've taken on board a lot of the styling criticism and have made detail improvements, which was all it needed.

Good luck to them - the M12 is a gem of a car, i really hope the M15 suceeds.

RR-Eng

5,458 posts

256 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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hendry said:

Hmm, Noble has had rather a lot of backers. He started off with Moy (he of Page & Moy) when it was Noble Moy Automotive; sounds like David Jones has been and gone too. Given that Noble's sales go from strength to strength, can we assume that the only difficulty is getting along with Lee Noble...



I thought Moy retired on good terms and is still associated with Noble.

door

713 posts

261 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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Couldn't agree more. Detail tweeks and an RS4 engine is all that Noble needs. Any idea as to the predicted cost of an M15?

washy

950 posts

299 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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door said:
Couldn't agree more. Detail tweeks and an RS4 engine is all that Noble needs. Any idea as to the predicted cost of an M15?


What's a crated RS4 engine going to cost though, even assuming Audi wanted to supply? I thought the atraction of the current unit was bang per buck?

CRB1

922 posts

265 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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von stig

882 posts

236 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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washy said:
door said:
Couldn't agree more. Detail tweeks and an RS4 engine is all that Noble needs. Any idea as to the predicted cost of an M15?


What's a crated RS4 engine going to cost though, even assuming Audi wanted to supply? I thought the atraction of the current unit was bang per buck?


i would imagine a lot but since this isnt in comp with audi i dont see there being much of an issue still the ol rover v8 is now being produced again and i cant think of a better home for it

duplicity

291 posts

280 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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Looking forward to getting more details of the changes....

And getting a test drive!

GTRene

21,005 posts

247 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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agree don't invent your own engine, make an excisting reliable engine better or a bit your own...a Audi or BMW V8 will do that job very goodyes
GTRene

gizard

2,266 posts

306 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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the earlier Audi RS4 engine would be cheaper V6 twin turbo ......

clubsport

7,399 posts

281 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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No chance of Audi supplying their V8,,,,,their own R8 car is due spring '07. The 4.2 V8 will be the base engine....or V10 Gallardo variant.

Looking at the spy shots of the car,

www.autoexpress.co.uk/autoexpresstv/spyshotvideos/200300/audi_r8.html

It really looks like strong competition for the M15..........I know which one I would have

RR-Eng

5,458 posts

256 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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washy said:
door said:
Couldn't agree more. Detail tweeks and an RS4 engine is all that Noble needs. Any idea as to the predicted cost of an M15?


What's a crated RS4 engine going to cost though, even assuming Audi wanted to supply? I thought the atraction of the current unit was bang per buck?


The current V6 is pretty light I would be surprised if they could get an engine as compact and with as good power to weight ratio.

The only reason I could see them going for an engine change would be to try to get a naturally aspirated engine in to apease purists.

mr.man

511 posts

239 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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All this talk of new engines is in my opinion just pie in the sky! Lee has been developing that V6 during two seasons on the race track. Power output was,I was told,to be around 550 bhp. The M15 is running 450bhp,room for a modest tweak I suggest.

stig

11,823 posts

307 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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Looks like Joust will be skint for a while then hehe

Ashok

621 posts

282 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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No reason why they couldn't use a German V8.

Spyker use an Audi engine and Morgan use a BMW one in the Aeromax.

All the best to Noble & Co. who deserve to succeed.

Now I wonder how longer before the backer's identity is reavealed....