Gearbox RIP
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elenitro

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245 posts

223 months

Wednesday 15th October 2008
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I just got the old bits of my gearbox back from the gearboxman.....didn't think it was this bad. How does this compare to others that have failed? Was I lucky?
My oh so lovely warranty company is trying to bail out and blame ware and tear on it!





Leon

Jenx

11,579 posts

271 months

Wednesday 15th October 2008
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That is NT wear and tear...that is catastrophic failure.

Vesuvius 996

35,829 posts

300 months

Wednesday 15th October 2008
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Jenx said:
That is NT wear and tear...that is catastrophic failure.
+1

That's broken, not worn out.


RobP

2,097 posts

270 months

Thursday 16th October 2008
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probably try 'act of war' next...
On the bright side, if gearboxman is re-building you'll get a stronger and better than new box at the end of it.

chillidog

1,021 posts

264 months

Thursday 16th October 2008
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RobP said:
probably try 'act of war' next...
On the bright side, if gearboxman is re-building you'll get a stronger and better than new box at the end of it.
On the less bright side I'm on my second one and Mal is on his third I believe. Oh and I have bought a spare!

ps. It's sodding cold this morning ... looking forward to the Donington race on the 1st November but may well need some tea <hint>.
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Richard

RobP

2,097 posts

270 months

Thursday 16th October 2008
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chillidog said:
RobP said:
probably try 'act of war' next...
On the bright side, if gearboxman is re-building you'll get a stronger and better than new box at the end of it.
On the less bright side I'm on my second one and Mal is on his third I believe. Oh and I have bought a spare!

ps. It's sodding cold this morning ... looking forward to the Donington race on the 1st November but may well need some tea <hint>.
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Richard
But to be fair, your's and Mal's get more stick in 20 mins hard racing than most road/track cars will get in a lifetime.
Hopefully will be able to make it up to Donny on Nov 1st smile

chillidog

1,021 posts

264 months

Thursday 16th October 2008
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RobP said:
But to be fair, your's and Mal's get more stick in 20 mins hard racing than most road/track cars will get in a lifetime
This is very true biggrin
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Richard

Adrian W

15,494 posts

257 months

Thursday 16th October 2008
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RobP said:
chillidog said:
RobP said:
probably try 'act of war' next...
On the bright side, if gearboxman is re-building you'll get a stronger and better than new box at the end of it.
On the less bright side I'm on my second one and Mal is on his third I believe. Oh and I have bought a spare!

ps. It's sodding cold this morning ... looking forward to the Donington race on the 1st November but may well need some tea <hint>.
--
Richard
But to be fair, your's and Mal's get more stick in 20 mins hard racing than most road/track cars will get in a lifetime.
Hopefully will be able to make it up to Donny on Nov 1st smile
Na, he drives like a girlsmile

chillidog

1,021 posts

264 months

Thursday 16th October 2008
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Adrian W said:
Na, he drives like a girlsmile
...pushing a shopping trolley ...

Unless his pit crew winds him up by leaving him on the jacks for the first few minutes of qualifying evil
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Richard

elenitro

Original Poster:

245 posts

223 months

Thursday 16th October 2008
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RobP said:
probably try 'act of war' next...
On the bright side, if gearboxman is re-building you'll get a stronger and better than new box at the end of it.
Yeah that is true.......just have to wait until my friendly dealer puts it all back together now....hopefully with no extra bits left over!!

The warranty company have now sent a letter saying that it broke because the bearing had micro pitting and so shock loaded the gears. Now if this was the case then surely all of the gears would be knackered and not just 5th?

Adrian W

15,494 posts

257 months

Thursday 16th October 2008
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elenitro said:
The warranty company have now sent a letter saying that it broke because the bearing had micro pitting and so shock loaded the gears. Now if this was the case then surely all of the gears would be knackered and not just 5th?
Why does it matter why it broke, or do gearboxes come under consumables? which company was it?

saucyboy

1,865 posts

258 months

Thursday 16th October 2008
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Looks just like mine when my 5th gear failed last year.

James

daddysumo

2,545 posts

242 months

Thursday 16th October 2008
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When my gearbox failed the warrany company replaced it but the Diff had to be re used.
As previously said, a failure is a failure so why the problem ?

gadgeroonie

5,362 posts

265 months

Thursday 16th October 2008
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the bearings wear and the gears loose the abilty to mesh correctly - then the tooth is loaded differently and kaboom !

how much have you been quoted ?

elenitro

Original Poster:

245 posts

223 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Warranty company was warrantywise.

Gearboxman rebuilt it for just under £900 and then £1900+vat labour from the dealer for the removal/refitting.

The guys at gearboxman told me the 'independant' inspector was only interested in blaming wear and tear on the bearing and nothing else.
I've been speaking to Noble as well and the technical people say that from the images etc then this is what happens with the weak 5th gear but it wouldn't have been caused by a worn bearing.

Leon

elenitro

Original Poster:

245 posts

223 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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gadgeroonie said:
the bearings wear and the gears loose the abilty to mesh correctly - then the tooth is loaded differently and kaboom !

how much have you been quoted ?
If this was the case then surely all of the gears would have broke in some way?
Only 5th gear was damaged in any shape or form.

Leon

Biggriff

2,312 posts

313 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Makes a bit of a joke having a warranty if something is so obviously fecked by an 'event' rather than wear and tear.

My experience of these things is that you are better off banking the warranty money for the inevitable rainy day.

Unfortunately claim repudiation like this gives the insurance industry a bad name.

I work as a Senior Manager in the insurance Industry and I wont put my business with certain companies simply because they operate in a manner such as this.

saucyboy

1,865 posts

258 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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If you end up having to fork out, I highly recommend Matt and co at BRUNTERS.

James

gadgeroonie

5,362 posts

265 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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elenitro said:
gadgeroonie said:
the bearings wear and the gears loose the abilty to mesh correctly - then the tooth is loaded differently and kaboom !

how much have you been quoted ?
If this was the case then surely all of the gears would have broke in some way?
Only 5th gear was damaged in any shape or form.

Leon
5th was obviously selected when it let go


elenitro

Original Poster:

245 posts

223 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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saucyboy said:
If you end up having to fork out, I highly recommend Matt and co at BRUNTERS.

James
If I knew the warranty company wasn't going to cough up then I certainly wouldn't have gone to the dealer.....bit late now though as I get the car back Monday now it's all been put back together!



What actually happened was I changed into 5th....it started to make a funny noise....changed to 6th..no noise...back to 5th...noise again....slowed into 4th..no noise.....pulled over and put it into neutral...noise was there all the time then until I put the clutch in so got the car recovered.
I just found it strange that if it was the bearing then it should have done some damage to other gears other than 5th whereas if it was a weak 5th gear (as Noble technical have told me after sending the pics) then nothing else would be affected?

I think it's definitely worth me arguing my case with the warranty company.