Rear hub nuts
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BobE

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605 posts

210 months

Friday 20th March 2009
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Can some one please confirm the rear drive shaft hub/nut locking arrangement. My 3R has paint lines indicating whether the large centre rear hub nuts are undoing or not. On the drivers side the paint line goes from the centre shaft over the nut and is then picked up on a wheel stud - all OK. On the passenger side the centre shaft paint line aligns with the large nut but is then some 45 degrees out from the marking on a wheel stud... Now I`m guessing that maybe someone in the past has removed the hub to change a bearing etc and then not replaced it in the same orientation - I guess there are splines between the shaft and the hub. I can`t see that the nut has loosened as it hasn`t moved relative to the shaft. I then had a close look at the nut and what seemed to be a lock washer bent over opposite flats - but now I`m not so sure it is a lock washer as it looks to be part of the nut which seems to be made from what looks like a series of laminations. Is this a `composite` nut assembly - is there any locking arrangement for the nut - any other explanations for the non-alignment? I don`t want to apply huge torques to the nut fastening until I understand what the design arrangement is. Everything seems however to be tight with no movement between the hub and the shaft. Thanks in advance for your help!

S26VE P

2,174 posts

271 months

Friday 20th March 2009
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Porsche hub nut from the wiki.


They like these? unsure of torque setting but sure someone will be along.

andrewr

414 posts

227 months

Friday 20th March 2009
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The picture above shows the porsche nut that people tend to use as a replacement for the standard Nobe nut.

The Nut you describe is the standard Noble nut as originally fitted to my M400

The only thing hold them on is very night load and loctite.

I think the the torque is 270 nm from memory - so tight I had to buy a new torque wrench specially.

The passenger ones do have a habit of undoing themselves leading to vibrations under load and hard cornering.

My drivers side came undone and caused lots of vibrations under load and heavy right hand corners.

REgards
Andrew

Jenx

11,579 posts

271 months

Friday 20th March 2009
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First indication of a loose nut is a long brake pedal...

MrCredit

371 posts

251 months

Friday 20th March 2009
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Jenx said:
First indication of a loose nut is a long brake pedal...
I had exactly that after my first trackday in the Noble.
Couldn't work out why as I checked and double checked the brake fluid and bled them.
Still the peddle went long, finally found the problem but the slight movement in the drive flange had a)ruined the bearing and b)ruined the flange. Luckily the hub was OK.

BobE

Original Poster:

605 posts

210 months

Friday 20th March 2009
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Does the Porsche nut require Loctite and if so what grade?

Duke Thrust

1,680 posts

268 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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I noticed this at the weekend, had to tighten mine up - how much are replacement hubs as a matter of interest?

MrCredit

371 posts

251 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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Duke Thrust said:
I noticed this at the weekend, had to tighten mine up - how much are replacement hubs as a matter of interest?
Porsche hub nuts are about £2 odd each, I think.
Probably the cheapest Porsche part you can buy!!! biggrin

S26VE P

2,174 posts

271 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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MrCredit said:
Duke Thrust said:
I noticed this at the weekend, had to tighten mine up - how much are replacement hubs as a matter of interest?
Porsche hub nuts are about £2 odd each, I think.
Probably the cheapest Porsche part you can buy!!! biggrin
All this talk got me thinking so i removed the rear wheels on sat. Best i get some porsche items ordered as still has originals. All tight tho.

TuxMan

9,011 posts

267 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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Yep checked mine at the weekened , i also have the std nuts !! guess i need to change mine too .

daddysumo

2,545 posts

242 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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If you cannot get to a Porker dealer, the ST 220 revised hub nuts are now identical in design to the porker ones just a bit smaller,but are working fine on the rear of mine.

Steve

Duke Thrust

1,680 posts

268 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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MrCredit said:
Duke Thrust said:
I noticed this at the weekend, had to tighten mine up - how much are replacement hubs as a matter of interest?
Porsche hub nuts are about £2 odd each, I think.
Probably the cheapest Porsche part you can buy!!! biggrin
No sorry, the acutal hubs - just wondering what the cost of total failure would be if you have to buy new bearing and a new hub

MrCredit

371 posts

251 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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Duke Thrust said:
MrCredit said:
Duke Thrust said:
I noticed this at the weekend, had to tighten mine up - how much are replacement hubs as a matter of interest?
Porsche hub nuts are about £2 odd each, I think.
Probably the cheapest Porsche part you can buy!!! biggrin
No sorry, the acutal hubs - just wondering what the cost of total failure would be if you have to buy new bearing and a new hub
Note to self - read the post properly before replying!!! rolleyes

From what I've heard the actual hubs are rather expensive. frown

TuxMan

9,011 posts

267 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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just ordered mine from cambridge porsche £4.90 each + postage .

Duke Thrust

1,680 posts

268 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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TuxMan said:
just ordered mine from cambridge porsche £4.90 each + postage .
Will order a couple, also will need to get this little monkey as mine only goes up to 210nm

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/58074/Van-Car-Access...

TuxMan

9,011 posts

267 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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What do we need to torque them up to ??

MrCredit

371 posts

251 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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TuxMan said:
What do we need to torque them up to ??
270Nm, I believe is the figure you're looking for smile

TuxMan

9,011 posts

267 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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Thanks mate ,looks like i,ve got another job to do !!!

Duke Thrust

1,680 posts

268 months

Tuesday 24th March 2009
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Just a thought, has anyone found a nyloc nut to fit? Or drilled the stub-axle to take a split pin?

ThatPhilBrettGuy

11,810 posts

269 months

Tuesday 24th March 2009
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Duke Thrust said:
Just a thought, has anyone found a nyloc nut to fit? Or drilled the stub-axle to take a split pin?
Why though? The Porsche ones or the Mondeo revised ones work fine and cost peanuts.