mass airflow senser
mass airflow senser
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steveobes

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632 posts

208 months

Wednesday 16th September 2009
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had re-map by yellowshed,had to reduce boost as he said i really need a 3 bar mass air flow senser. has anyone fitted one and where from. missing the extra power. many thanks

david.mt

1,173 posts

212 months

Wednesday 16th September 2009
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Presume it was a manifold absolute pressure (MAP) sensor you need wink.

Lots on eBay at the moment.

steveobes

Original Poster:

632 posts

208 months

Wednesday 16th September 2009
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just checked email and it was mass air senser he was talking about or are they the same thing? any ideas thanks

Stella Artois

556 posts

229 months

Wednesday 16th September 2009
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Robbed off wiki.

A mass air flow sensor is used to find out the mass of air entering a fuel-injected engine. The air mass information is necessary for the engine control unit (ECU) to balance and deliver the correct fuel mass to the engine. Air changes its density as it expands and contracts with temperature and pressure. In automotive applications, air density varies with the ambient temperature and altitude, and this is an ideal application for a mass sensor. (See stoichiometry and ideal gas law.)

There are two common types of mass airflow sensors in usage on gasoline engines. These are the vane meter and the hot wire. Neither design employs technology that measures air mass directly. However, with an additional sensor or two, the engine's air mass flow rate can be accurately determined.

Both approaches are used almost exclusively on electronic fuel injection (EFI) engines. Both sensor designs output a 0 - 5.0 volt or a PWM signal that is proportional to the air mass flow rate, and both sensors have an intake air temperature (IAT) sensor incorporated into their housings.

When a MAF is used in conjunction with an oxygen sensor, the engine's air/fuel ratio can be controlled very accurately. The MAF sensor provides the open-loop predicted air flow information (the measured air flow) to the ECU, and the oxygen sensor provides closed-loop feedback in order to make minor corrections to the predicted air mass. Also see MAP sensor.


A manifold absolute pressure sensor (MAP) is one of the sensors used in an internal combustion engine's electronic control system. Engines that use a MAP sensor are typically fuel injected. The manifold absolute pressure sensor provides instantaneous manifold pressure information to the engine's electronic control unit (ECU). The data are used to calculate air density and determine the engine's air mass flow rate, which in turn determines the required fuel metering for optimum combustion (see stoichiometry). A fuel-injected engine may alternately use a MAF (mass air flow) sensor to detect the intake airflow. A typical configuration employs one or the other, but Sometimes both.

MAP sensor data can be converted to air mass data using the speed-density method. Engine speed (RPM) and air temperature are also necessary to complete the speed-density calculation. The MAP sensor can also be used in OBD II (on-board diagnostics) applications to test the EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) valve for functionality, an application typical in OBD II equipped General Motors engines.

Edited by Stella Artois on Wednesday 16th September 19:36

daddysumo

2,545 posts

242 months

Wednesday 16th September 2009
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Pretty sure it's a 3 bar MAP sensor you need but I'm sure Trevor will be on to put you right.
How much boost were you running to need that upgrade ? eek
I think they use a GM one on the Nobles.

The devil

2,152 posts

212 months

Wednesday 16th September 2009
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Stella Artois said:
Robbed off wiki.

A mass air flow sensor is used to find out the mass of air entering a fuel-injected engine. The air mass information is necessary for the engine control unit (ECU) to balance and deliver the correct fuel mass to the engine. Air changes its density as it expands and contracts with temperature and pressure. In automotive applications, air density varies with the ambient temperature and altitude, and this is an ideal application for a mass sensor. (See stoichiometry and ideal gas law.)

There are two common types of mass airflow sensors in usage on gasoline engines. These are the vane meter and the hot wire. Neither design employs technology that measures air mass directly. However, with an additional sensor or two, the engine's air mass flow rate can be accurately determined.

Both approaches are used almost exclusively on electronic fuel injection (EFI) engines. Both sensor designs output a 0 - 5.0 volt or a PWM signal that is proportional to the air mass flow rate, and both sensors have an intake air temperature (IAT) sensor incorporated into their housings.

When a MAF is used in conjunction with an oxygen sensor, the engine's air/fuel ratio can be controlled very accurately. The MAF sensor provides the open-loop predicted air flow information (the measured air flow) to the ECU, and the oxygen sensor provides closed-loop feedback in order to make minor corrections to the predicted air mass. Also see MAP sensor.


A manifold absolute pressure sensor (MAP) is one of the sensors used in an internal combustion engine's electronic control system. Engines that use a MAP sensor are typically fuel injected. The manifold absolute pressure sensor provides instantaneous manifold pressure information to the engine's electronic control unit (ECU). The data are used to calculate air density and determine the engine's air mass flow rate, which in turn determines the required fuel metering for optimum combustion (see stoichiometry). A fuel-injected engine may alternately use a MAF (mass air flow) sensor to detect the intake airflow. A typical configuration employs one or the other, but Sometimes both.

MAP sensor data can be converted to air mass data using the speed-density method. Engine speed (RPM) and air temperature are also necessary to complete the speed-density calculation. The MAP sensor can also be used in OBD II (on-board diagnostics) applications to test the EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) valve for functionality, an application typical in OBD II equipped General Motors engines.

Edited by Stella Artois on Wednesday 16th September 19:36
Thats what I thought

steveobes

Original Poster:

632 posts

208 months

Wednesday 16th September 2009
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thanks for all the info not sure about boost before re-map but it was proberly above 1bar but overfuelling,got that sorted due to air temp reading -30. now running 12 psi and about 320 bhp. yellowshed said i need 3bar m-a-f senser to put it safely to the power i was getting before say about 350-360. hope this makes sence im sure trever will confirm

daddysumo

2,545 posts

242 months

Wednesday 16th September 2009
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Ah so yours is a 2.5 then ?
I'm lost now tho as I thought they all were using MAP sensors combined with a charge temp sensor and I have not seen a MAF sensor on my 3R ? scratchchin

And MAF measures air flow not pressure so it would be in CFM or something not BAR ?

Hmmm where's Mr T ?

Edited by daddysumo on Wednesday 16th September 20:29

david.mt

1,173 posts

212 months

Wednesday 16th September 2009
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steveobes said:
thanks for all the info not sure about boost before re-map but it was proberly above 1bar but overfuelling,got that sorted due to air temp reading -30. now running 12 psi and about 320 bhp. yellowshed said i need 3bar m-a-f senser to put it safely to the power i was getting before say about 350-360. hope this makes sence im sure trever will confirm
Something confused in there. MAF is all about airflow and CFM (cubic feet/minute) whereas as MAP is about pressure (BAR) although both are used to control the engine. However IMO 3 bar is the pressure level and can therefore only be the MAP sensor.

YellowShed

587 posts

312 months

Wednesday 16th September 2009
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Sure I said MAP sensor. Maf sensors read mass airflow, map sensors read manifold pressure. You need a 3-bar MAP sensor.

Sorry for the confusion.

YellowShed