Full engine specs for an M600?
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I can't imagine there will be much if anything available Chris.
I believe the development work for the engine in this application will have been carried out by Noble and or their chosen powertrain development advisors.
It doesn't exist in another form in a similar technical configuration elsewhere.
Mike.
I believe the development work for the engine in this application will have been carried out by Noble and or their chosen powertrain development advisors.
It doesn't exist in another form in a similar technical configuration elsewhere.
Mike.
OK thanks Mike, I am thinking it must be this unit then:
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Ford_Yamaha_V8...
Have they shared any intimacies about the transmission with the great unwashed purchasers, or is that a secret?
I thought a small company would be awash with stories of a low volumes car's development? Their was a technical write up on the new McLaren weeks ago, in depth, with official sanction and input.
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Ford_Yamaha_V8...
Have they shared any intimacies about the transmission with the great unwashed purchasers, or is that a secret?
I thought a small company would be awash with stories of a low volumes car's development? Their was a technical write up on the new McLaren weeks ago, in depth, with official sanction and input.
Chris Wilson said:
OK thanks Mike, I am thinking it must be this unit then:
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Ford_Yamaha_V8...
Have they shared any intimacies about the transmission with the great unwashed purchasers, or is that a secret?
I thought a small company would be awash with stories of a low volumes car's development? Their was a technical write up on the new McLaren weeks ago, in depth, with official sanction and input.
Isn't that called PR bullshttp://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Ford_Yamaha_V8...
Have they shared any intimacies about the transmission with the great unwashed purchasers, or is that a secret?
I thought a small company would be awash with stories of a low volumes car's development? Their was a technical write up on the new McLaren weeks ago, in depth, with official sanction and input.
t, especially when you consider the far eastern content in the Maclaren. I thought the Volvo/Ford engine was a Yamaha design and the M600 actually uses a Ford ECU and employs some of its associated strategies. But I’m probably wrong
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The V8 engine in the Noble in indeed evolved from the Volvo-Yamaha unit used in the second generation S80 and the XC90. The engine is a new design co-developed by Volvo and Yamaha (launched 2005) and it's built in Yamaha's Japanese factory rather than Volvo's Swedish Skovde plant. This is due to Ford's plans for Skovde to be a diesel production site (new 2.0 diesel) for Volvo and Ford in addition to Volvo's 5 cylinder engines. Lack of capacity and the development collaboration with Yamaha meant Yamaha got to build it. The Volvo SI6 (6 cylinder) is Volvo designed but built in Bridgend by Ford for exmaple.
It is incorrect (not that someone said it here yet) to think the Volvo-Yamaha V8 is a previous Ford V8 design. It also has nothing to do with the SVO V6 and V8 Yamaha designed for Ford previously. The Volvo unit is a completely new design to Volvo standards etc. The Yamaha engineers can be thought of as were temporary workers or consultants hired by Volvo and worked with them to together design this Volvo specific V8 (offset bank of cylinders to fit within the XC90 front frame structure etc). Volvo's last V engine was the PRV V6 developed with Renault and Peugeot in the 1970s so Yamaha brought some areas of expertise with regards V designs etc.
So, its this all aluminium V8 Volvo engine that Noble uses.
There hasnt been a detailed article as to its specs but it seems to retain the same cross plane crankshaft as the original. At least there's not mention of the flat plane one yet in the press. Compression has been lowered via new pistons and development work was first completed at AER in Essex and then Motorkraft in the USA. It seems Motorkraft are completing the engine builds and parts are shipped direct from Volvo to the USA. A friend who lives near Motorkraft had previously noted a stock of Volvo V8s at his local dealer who said he can't say who there for but they were for a local engine tuner....
Are you the same Chris Wilson as from Volvo Owners Club per chance?
The V8 engine in the Noble in indeed evolved from the Volvo-Yamaha unit used in the second generation S80 and the XC90. The engine is a new design co-developed by Volvo and Yamaha (launched 2005) and it's built in Yamaha's Japanese factory rather than Volvo's Swedish Skovde plant. This is due to Ford's plans for Skovde to be a diesel production site (new 2.0 diesel) for Volvo and Ford in addition to Volvo's 5 cylinder engines. Lack of capacity and the development collaboration with Yamaha meant Yamaha got to build it. The Volvo SI6 (6 cylinder) is Volvo designed but built in Bridgend by Ford for exmaple.
It is incorrect (not that someone said it here yet) to think the Volvo-Yamaha V8 is a previous Ford V8 design. It also has nothing to do with the SVO V6 and V8 Yamaha designed for Ford previously. The Volvo unit is a completely new design to Volvo standards etc. The Yamaha engineers can be thought of as were temporary workers or consultants hired by Volvo and worked with them to together design this Volvo specific V8 (offset bank of cylinders to fit within the XC90 front frame structure etc). Volvo's last V engine was the PRV V6 developed with Renault and Peugeot in the 1970s so Yamaha brought some areas of expertise with regards V designs etc.
So, its this all aluminium V8 Volvo engine that Noble uses.
There hasnt been a detailed article as to its specs but it seems to retain the same cross plane crankshaft as the original. At least there's not mention of the flat plane one yet in the press. Compression has been lowered via new pistons and development work was first completed at AER in Essex and then Motorkraft in the USA. It seems Motorkraft are completing the engine builds and parts are shipped direct from Volvo to the USA. A friend who lives near Motorkraft had previously noted a stock of Volvo V8s at his local dealer who said he can't say who there for but they were for a local engine tuner....
Are you the same Chris Wilson as from Volvo Owners Club per chance?
Thanks for that Shimon, just what I was looking for. I am a very infrequent poster on the Swedish Turbobricks forum. I used to do a lot with the B* series Volvo engines in the days of the Group A 242 touring cars, and my only other Volvo association is I have a Volvo estate car as a daily driver
I would be amazed if it had a flat plane crank in the Noble version, flabbergasted in fact. They make their presence known, you couldn't miss the vibration. There would be little point, they are really for exhaust pulse tuning and packaging on N/A engines, a twin turbo would gain little from one, performance wise, and the NVH would be unacceptable in a road car.
If anyone has detailed photos of the turbo manifolding and packaging, wastegate type and CR and cam specs I would love to know where Noble have gone in its development.
Thanks.
I would be amazed if it had a flat plane crank in the Noble version, flabbergasted in fact. They make their presence known, you couldn't miss the vibration. There would be little point, they are really for exhaust pulse tuning and packaging on N/A engines, a twin turbo would gain little from one, performance wise, and the NVH would be unacceptable in a road car.
If anyone has detailed photos of the turbo manifolding and packaging, wastegate type and CR and cam specs I would love to know where Noble have gone in its development.
Thanks.
Chris Wilson said:
If anyone has detailed photos of the turbo manifolding and packaging, wastegate type and CR and cam specs I would love to know where Noble have gone in its development.
Out of curiosity, why exactly do you want to know? I'm sure you might get some info from Noble if you're prepared to stump up some cash for a deposit on a M600. 
I build race engines and gearboxes for a living and am always curious as to how and why makers of interesting cars choose the power trains that they do. A V8 with twin turbos seems a heavy option for such a car, so I thought I'd try and find out more. I am afraid I won't be buying one, my daily driver is an old Volvo estate, any "toy" money goes on race cars, and there's not much to spare to diversify 
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