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hollowpockets

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5,910 posts

245 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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Ready to set my car on fire. Please help.

That's the engine in and everything connected up. It won't start though.

I'm getting the lights and fuel pump priming. The ignition relay is clicking and sometimes the solenoid for the starter clicks in but I'm not getting it turning over. Iv heard of sticky starters so as its sat for 6 months I guess it could be that but why is the starter only clicking in sometimes? Relays? Fuses? Something obvious please. Don't want to have to remove my engine again!

Thanks

Graham

slipstream 1985

13,751 posts

208 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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im much less mechanical than you but it sounds like a flat battery? mine did the same had to jump start it. someone also mentioned on here a fuse can go that causes the same thing. cant tell you which one.

hollowpockets

Original Poster:

5,910 posts

245 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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tried with jump leads but no joy. Its on trickle charger now though. Anyone know which fuses to check? Cheers

slipstream 1985

13,751 posts

208 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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bernhund said:
Yesterday I finally got around to firing the beast up. Got to give the car credit, the battery was only flat because silly bo11ocks here failed to notice after the snow,that by chance the fuse for the fuel pump was knackered. Sitting there turning it over and over thinking the cold weather had caused it! Didn't even think about the lack of whirring come from behind me. Consequently, having fixed the fuse bit, I still had a flat battery. Following advice on here, I went to Halfords & bought a maintenance charger that fixes permanently onto the battery, that leaves an easily accessible lead in place to plug into(£24). Secondly, I bought for £60 a battery pack with built in jump leads, light, pump and 12v outlets. Thought this would come in useful for all other occasions.
So, it's all up and running, but the heater seems to have packed up. Got a feeling the fan may have been frozen when I first defrosted the car a while back.
Any clues? Everything else seems to be working ok, so does it have its own fuse or does it share one? If the fuse is ok and I've burnt the motor out, where is it? whats it from? and(like I need to ask) is it a pain to get to?
found that trawling through the search function

hollowpockets

Original Poster:

5,910 posts

245 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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Yeh I think that just relates to the fuel pump but my pump is whirring and pressuring up the system. Its deffo a starter/electrical issue from what I can tell.

sploosh

822 posts

237 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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My battery was very very dead the other morning - 3 months since I last started the car. Sounded just as you describe.

Wouldn't jump start either, but with a fully charged battery - away we go.

Charge the battery fully - rather than trickle charge, before you try anything else more drastic.

Are the headlights dim?

hollowpockets

Original Poster:

5,910 posts

245 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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It was a new battery 5months ago but the car only ran for 20 mins in my driveway, its been on trickle charge a few times too. Would the car not have started with jump leads on another car even if my battery was goosed?

hollowpockets

Original Poster:

5,910 posts

245 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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Oh and I don't get headlights. Thought the engine had to be on for them. Its been too long since iv driven it.!

Metalman

1,173 posts

247 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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hollowpockets said:
It was a new battery 5months ago but the car only ran for 20 mins in my driveway, its been on trickle charge a few times too. Would the car not have started with jump leads on another car even if my battery was goosed?
When you put the jump leads on the battery terminals you need to really squeeze the clips on to get a good contact otherwise it wont work, you'll be surprised at how much power your stater will try to get through those jump leads! Also, i take it you've tried putting the car in gear and rocking it to make sure nothing is jammed?

Gadgeroonie

5,362 posts

265 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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try and bump start it to proove its only the starter

The devil

2,152 posts

212 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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The ignition needs to be on and alarm disabled for lights to be on but engine does not need to be running

hollowpockets

Original Poster:

5,910 posts

245 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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I haven't tried bump starting it but iv tried pushing it in 1st gear. It just rocks back and forth but doesn't keep going.

daddysumo

2,545 posts

242 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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hollowpockets said:
I haven't tried bump starting it but iv tried pushing it in 1st gear. It just rocks back and forth but doesn't keep going.


Put the positive jump lead to the starter solenoid and the other to the chassis, the starter should spin over, if it doesn't then the starter is duff

Edited by daddysumo on Thursday 18th February 21:58

Gadgeroonie

5,362 posts

265 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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you won't be able to bump it in first

you will need 2nd or 3rd

can you short out the starter motor with a screw driver / heavy gauge wire

try pulling all the fuses / relays and reseating them with a squirt of wd40

snuffy

13,216 posts

313 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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hollowpockets said:
tried with jump leads but no joy. Its on trickle charger now though. Anyone know which fuses to check? Cheers
The fuse is behind the bulk head on the drivers side, connected to one of the cross members. If you are standing looking down on the battery you should see them. There are 4 or 5 I think, so just check them all. For maximum confusion, they are not mentioned in the owner's manual.

Jim O.

486 posts

226 months

Friday 19th February 2010
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Is the chassis ground (near the rear motor mount) hooked up? Also, is it making good contact with the frame (no corrosion or paint in the way)?

snuffy

13,216 posts

313 months

Friday 19th February 2010
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Jim O. said:
Is the chassis ground (near the rear motor mount) hooked up? Also, is it making good contact with the frame (no corrosion or paint in the way)?
Good point ! Try taking a jump lead from the engine block to the chassis. I've had the engine earth strap break on one of my previous shopping cars. It appeared dead as a dead thing - then jump lead from block to chassis and away it went.

nigelw

706 posts

230 months

Friday 19th February 2010
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I f you try to jump a car with a flat battery you dont tend to get the full benefit (the flat battery seems to "drag" the other one down) . Also , unless the jump leads are PROPER heavy duty ones the effect is minimal . Try brand new battery , or fully charge existing one before trying ! good luck ! smile

YellowShed

587 posts

312 months

Friday 19th February 2010
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Graham,

You sure you've got the engine earth strap connected? Without that, you'd have the symptoms you describe.....

Maybe worth a double check?

YellowShed

2.5bluenob

1,620 posts

205 months

Friday 19th February 2010
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Gadgeroonie said:
can you short out the starter motor with a screw driver / heavy gauge wire
Yeah try bridging the starter terminals with a screw driver its always funsmile