Tyre Suggestions please

[Air Support]

Hi – I know this topic has been raised many times before, but I’m looking to get a set of tyres which meet the following criteria:

For road use and track days, dry weather only, able to last for 8-10 track days (around 15 minute stints on track before a similar length of break between track sessions) plus around 4000 road miles.
Offering an improvement in grip over Eagle F1As and not too much noisier on the road
Available in 275 and 235 widths to fit standard 3R wheels

Oh ….. and can be purchased for under £1000 for the set.

Any of you be good enough to make some recommendations?

Thanks

Andrew

[daddysumo]

You might squeeze that mileage out of A048's, prob not the R888's.
I keep hearing very good reports on the new R1R's and they should be in that budget,not sure if available in the sizes though but worth an ask !

Steve

[david.mt]

Good luck - I was looking for the same eutopia of tyres but gave up and decided to buy a new set of rims with F1A's for road use and then fit some track tyres on the OEM rims. I haven't decided on the track tyres but probably the R888's but maybe the PS Cups.

[Air Support]

david.mt said:

Good luck - I was looking for the same eutopia of tyres but gave up and decided to buy a new set of rims with F1A's for road use and then fit some track tyres on the OEM rims. I haven't decided on the track tyres but probably the R888's but maybe the PS Cups.

David

Yes - I forgot to add that this might not be an achievable set of objectives!

Andrew

[Stella Artois]

Bridgestone SE02' if you can get them. I've done 5 track days and 11K miles on a set

[RobP]

My P Zero Corsaa fulfil all those criteria, but absolutely critical that you don't stay out on track too long at any one time otherwise they will be done in a day. Also need to adjust pressures with temp.
However, unless you have the stiffer suspension as per M400 you might find them a little too aggressive and your suspension will eternally be on the end stops. (But again that depends on how you drive)

[Air Support]

RobP said:

My P Zero Corsaa fulfil all those criteria, but absolutely critical that you don't stay out on track too long at any one time otherwise they will be done in a day. Also need to adjust pressures with temp.
However, unless you have the stiffer suspension as per M400 you might find them a little too aggressive and your suspension will eternally be on the end stops. (But again that depends on how you drive)

Thanks Rob

I was wondering about Corsas - how long can you run them on track before taking a break?

Andrew

[daddysumo]

RobP said:

My P Zero Corsaa fulfil all those criteria, but absolutely critical that you don't stay out on track too long at any one time otherwise they will be done in a day. Also need to adjust pressures with temp.
However, unless you have the stiffer suspension as per M400 you might find them a little too aggressive and your suspension will eternally be on the end stops. (But again that depends on how you drive)

Are they really a useful road tyre ?
I found no grip unless the ambient temps were at least 'warm' IMO !

[Adrian W]

daddysumo said:

RobP said:

My P Zero Corsaa fulfil all those criteria, but absolutely critical that you don't stay out on track too long at any one time otherwise they will be done in a day. Also need to adjust pressures with temp.
However, unless you have the stiffer suspension as per M400 you might find them a little too aggressive and your suspension will eternally be on the end stops. (But again that depends on how you drive)

Are they really a useful road tyre ?
I found no grip unless the ambient temps were at least 'warm' IMO !

But when it's warm they are very grippy, downside is when they are not gripping they are wearing out very quickly.

[Blu3R]

daddysumo said:

Are they really a useful road tyre ?
I found no grip unless the ambient temps were at least 'warm' IMO !

From my very limited experience, all Pirellis are the same to a degree, you just can't get them hot enough on the road. When you really need them they're cold and you can run into trouble. If you manage to get them hot enough they can be great but you need to drive like a hooligan before you get to that stage. I think (for road use) they should come with a warning in cold climates.

[CTO3]

hi andrew,

i've found r888's do most of those things, great on track, rears last 6-7 days, fronts at least double that. usually do about 4000miles rears.
will have more grip than eagle f1's on track - won't 'go off' as badly as a road tyre will but as rob says much more than 15 min session and you'll see a marked reduction in tyre life. would probably leave for closer to 30mins to allow everything to cool down though

888's do suffer from road roar so will be more noisy.

i've 235s fitted to my front compomotives and do get some rubbing with more lock on. this could be bec i've got one way nitrons fitted and will be running slightly lower than stock for an m400. also get a rub/vibration on hard cornering on track which goes away when suspension set stiffer. going to try 225s again next time i change to see if that helps

they should come in under £1000 a set, used to be much better a couple of years back when i could get a set fitted for £600


hth

conleth

Edited by CTO3 on Wednesday 5th May 10:29

[Adrian W]

Blu3R said:

stage. I think (for road use) they should come with a warning in cold climates.

Corsa's do

[RobP]

Air Support said:

RobP said:

My P Zero Corsaa fulfil all those criteria, but absolutely critical that you don't stay out on track too long at any one time otherwise they will be done in a day. Also need to adjust pressures with temp.
However, unless you have the stiffer suspension as per M400 you might find them a little too aggressive and your suspension will eternally be on the end stops. (But again that depends on how you drive)

Thanks Rob

I was wondering about Corsas - how long can you run them on track before taking a break?

Andrew

Do a warm up lap then 15 mins of hot laps, then cool down lap and leave for at least 30 mins before going out again.
As others have said, they are not that clever when cold (regardless of whether on track or road), but so long as you know that you can drive round it. IMO all worth it for the feel and grip you get when they are up to temp.

[Air Support]

Interesting....

Does anyone have any personal experience of use of both Corsas and R888s on a Noble and if so which do you prefer....also how do they compare for grip, wear and road noise?

Also anyone got any views on the Michelin PS Cups please?

(I realise this will be a very subjective assessment)

Thanks

Andrew

[daddysumo]

I changed the corsas before they were worn out a month ago or so for the R888's, on the road so far the 888's are far superior in all situations and I actually get grip now !!
Still think the A048's are better than the 888's though.
You should have a look at the Toyo R1R's though you might be suprised, they will be the next set I try.

[joust]

Blu3R said:

I think (for road use) they should come with a warning in cold climates.

They do. Pirelli state they should not be used under 7C.

J

[Air Support]

daddysumo said:

I changed the corsas before they were worn out a month ago or so for the R888's, on the road so far the 888's are far superior in all situations and I actually get grip now !!
Still think the A048's are better than the 888's though.
You should have a look at the Toyo R1R's though you might be suprised, they will be the next set I try.

Steve

Looks like I can get a set of R1Rs for around £760 (265 rear, 225 front), R888s for £830 (275 and 235) and 048s for £1000 (265 and 225 or 235).

Any views on the relative wear performance and road noise? Grip wise any of these will be a noticeable improvement on where I am now.

Andrew

[daddysumo]

Air Support said:

daddysumo said:

I changed the corsas before they were worn out a month ago or so for the R888's, on the road so far the 888's are far superior in all situations and I actually get grip now !!
Still think the A048's are better than the 888's though.
You should have a look at the Toyo R1R's though you might be suprised, they will be the next set I try.

Steve

Looks like I can get a set of R1Rs for around £760 (265 rear, 225 front), R888s for £830 (275 and 235) and 048s for £1000 (265 and 225 or 235).

Any views on the relative wear performance and road noise? Grip wise any of these will be a noticeable improvement on where I am now.

Andrew

R888 noisy and wear the quickest.(quickest to warm up tho)

A048 most noisy, wear rate better than R888 (better on trak)

R1R not very noisy and much better wear rate

[Air Support]

daddysumo said:

Air Support said:

daddysumo said:

I changed the corsas before they were worn out a month ago or so for the R888's, on the road so far the 888's are far superior in all situations and I actually get grip now !!
Still think the A048's are better than the 888's though.
You should have a look at the Toyo R1R's though you might be suprised, they will be the next set I try.

Steve

Looks like I can get a set of R1Rs for around £760 (265 rear, 225 front), R888s for £830 (275 and 235) and 048s for £1000 (265 and 225 or 235).

Any views on the relative wear performance and road noise? Grip wise any of these will be a noticeable improvement on where I am now.

Andrew

R888 noisy and wear the quickest.(quickest to warm up tho)

A048 most noisy, wear rate better than R888 (better on trak)

R1R not very noisy and much better wear rate

Thanks - useful info

[FUNKSTER UK]

Air Support said:

daddysumo said:

I changed the corsas before they were worn out a month ago or so for the R888's, on the road so far the 888's are far superior in all situations and I actually get grip now !!
Still think the A048's are better than the 888's though.
You should have a look at the Toyo R1R's though you might be suprised, they will be the next set I try.

Steve

Looks like I can get a set of R1Rs for around £760 (265 rear, 225 front), R888s for £830 (275 and 235) and 048s for £1000 (265 and 225 or 235).

Any views on the relative wear performance and road noise? Grip wise any of these will be a noticeable improvement on where I am now.

Andrew

Let me know how you get on Andrew, I will be up for a set of R1R's or 888's very shortly

Matty.