It may be down to lack of talent.....

[Air Support]

....or nerve, but I was a bit disappointed that at the recent 'Ring/Spa trip I wasn't able to corner anywhere near as fast as the GT3s when on track at Spa. Had thought that might be something the Nob would excel at! The car is a 3R with standard suspension on R888s.

So any thoughts as to what can be done - is it Nitrons or driving lessons that I need?

Cheers

Andrew

[mgbond]

I would have said, in the case of the ring it would be the fact that most of them are there all the time so its just that they know the track and are fearless. lol.

From what I have herd, the 888's go off rather quick and are not the best for track work? Set-up obviously helps, i.e nitrons and camber etc.

Dial in some tallent and your there

Bondy

P.S. I'm not expert but its just IMHO

[slipstream 1985]

that and track knowledge would make a huge difference. unless your car has tracking out or something??

[JLSELAN]

IMO (and after owning one for 5+ years) the M12 is just sprung too "softly" for a high-speed circuit like the 'ring. Too much body lean means less-than-optimal weight transfer and control of tire (or tyre) contact patch.

Edited by JLSELAN on Sunday 4th July 23:52

[sundance02]

Air Support said:

....or nerve, but I was a bit disappointed that at the recent 'Ring/Spa trip I wasn't able to corner anywhere near as fast as the GT3s when on track at Spa. Had thought that might be something the Nob would excel at! The car is a 3R with standard suspension on R888s.

So any thoughts as to what can be done - is it Nitrons or driving lessons that I need?

Cheers

Andrew

What sort of problems where you having? to much understeer? or oversteer?
I seem to have excessive understeer, I was told that alot of them had un even camber settings so maybe worth checking on yours.

The way I found her handle was

Trying to carry to much speed into the corner will cause understeer which of course can be corrected with the throttle. if maybe you brake to early and then apply throttle of course you will get oversteer.
IMO the key to being quick in a nob is being smooth, slow in fast out. Sacrificing a little speed into the corner will give you a better drive out, and make use of the awesome power, so overall improves the lap times.

Think I just spent 10 min telling something we all know anyway

[andygtt]

the GT3 is a stunning car on track and its been honed for this purpose with race series etc so its one hell of a yard stick that your comparing to... you will also be very surprised how much you can improve your car by getting the setup done

[Air Support]

Thanks guys

Wasn't so much the Ring I was worried about as obviously local knowledge is a major factor.
Spa was more of a concern as there's more chance of learning the track and following a quicker car through on their line - even then I just wasn't as quick through the corners. Maybe it just shows the quality of the GT3!

PS Any suggestions on the best way to get a 3R set up for track?

Edited by Air Support on Monday 5th July 08:43

[Adrian W]

I wouldn't want to comment on your driving, but for the suspension I would consider using Black Art designs (BAD) they have two and three way adjustable shocks and are better products than the Nitrons.

[FUNKSTER UK]

Scrapey splitter, I think I may need to call BAD.
Sticky rubber and being a bit keen at Spa.
I'd already jacked it up to 6" as I was scraping the front arches with the tyres on the ring.



Matty.

[F.C.]

+1 stiffer springs.

[TuxMan]

Hi Andrew was pretty impressed with mine ,having a strong engine helps !! but alround it felt very good , i,m going have my std dampers upgraded to M400 spec as well a more aero mods which i think will help all round ,also had some driving instruction last year which also helped !!! keeping up with a GT2/3 is still alot to ask but you should be able to give them a scare :-)

[Gadgeroonie]

well done lads

i have never done a track day in my Nob let alone take on the ring (y)

i have driven a few std nobles and the stock springs are way too soft

upgrade your coilover springs to at least m400 spec - a bit strong for a bumpy b road but great on the limit

[RobP]

By far the best way to improve speed round a race-track is to have lessons with a competent instructor. A standard 3R will go round Spa very quickly indeed - may not keep up with a well pedelled GT3 but should show a clean pair of heels to most other track-day cars. Improvements to suspension will also help but are not a substitute for learning the circuit with an instructor.
In my experience a well peddelled M400 will be quicker round Spa than a similarly driven GT3 RS (in the dry that is!)

[Jim O.]

What everyone else said - instruction, more track experience, more spring, better dampers, proper setup will all make a huge difference in lap times. Also, for our cars at the tracks we go to, the R888s work better with more air pressure than the stock settings. Following Toyo's guides for this tire is a good place to start...

[hoyin]

Definately lack of talent .. I remember being in your car going round SPA ...

Only joking - you were going seriously quick and smooth. Still reckon you would have made the corner where we decided to go straight on - but I was your PAX so you probably took it easy.

What I did notice when going in the car with Dean was that he used more of the track.

We should organise a track day in the UK. I would be up for that - now I have seen what it is like. I won't be so intimidated.

[Air Support]

Not sure I particularly fancy stiffer springs for road use - anyone know if will I get most of the benefit from just a decent set of adjustable dampers?

Ta!

[jamescmr2]

we should definitely do a UK trackday... but you have to wait until i get my car back ;-).

would be great to get a large group together wouldn't it.


cheers

James