Time taken to respray a noble ?
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hi there
Ok guys i am getting my car fully resprayed as i had a bump beginning of november just cosmetic i have a new rear clam coming and i was wondering how long including prep you would have thought it would take to give the car a full respray.my car body guy is starting it next friday and to be honest he keeps skirting around giving me a date when it will be done and its bloody annoying as im concerned that she wont be back for xmas.If he works up to thurs the 23rd that gives him 5 days to spray it surely it will be done in this time he did say to me that he prob cant bake it so i know this will hold a little time up. Also hes going to give me a price on the sections to spray that he has not qouted for with the insurance(small sections behind front wheels,wing mirrors and front clam) i just need an idea as to what i should expect this to cost as ive not got a clue and i would not like to feel that i was going to be paying over the top i was thinking no more than £500 tops but even that sounds a lot.Any feedback would be great
Cheers Chris
Ok guys i am getting my car fully resprayed as i had a bump beginning of november just cosmetic i have a new rear clam coming and i was wondering how long including prep you would have thought it would take to give the car a full respray.my car body guy is starting it next friday and to be honest he keeps skirting around giving me a date when it will be done and its bloody annoying as im concerned that she wont be back for xmas.If he works up to thurs the 23rd that gives him 5 days to spray it surely it will be done in this time he did say to me that he prob cant bake it so i know this will hold a little time up. Also hes going to give me a price on the sections to spray that he has not qouted for with the insurance(small sections behind front wheels,wing mirrors and front clam) i just need an idea as to what i should expect this to cost as ive not got a clue and i would not like to feel that i was going to be paying over the top i was thinking no more than £500 tops but even that sounds a lot.Any feedback would be great
Cheers Chris
Fully respaying a fibreglass car is a time consuming and expensive process if done properly. Make sure that it is done by someone who is used to working on fibreglass cars.
If you want a quick cheap job, I'm afraid that is exactly what you will get!
I would expect a full respray done properly to be in the thousands and for the car to be away some time.
If you want a quick cheap job, I'm afraid that is exactly what you will get!
I would expect a full respray done properly to be in the thousands and for the car to be away some time.
I had my front clam resprayed when I bought it to clean up/remove the stone chips so just a cosmetic facelift.
It was quoted at around 15 hours labour, that is to remove the clam, strip, sand back and fill all the stone chips, prime and paint etc. Also to black the grills. It was suggested the paint cost £250 and all in with a labour rate of around £35/hour it was around £900.
You will not get a full respray done properly on a fibreglass car for £500 - it should be several thousand.
Also you mention a new clam - is your "man" preparing and fitting this as it is not a case of just buying and popping back on - if a new clam it will also require a significant amount of fettling to fit to your car. Sounds like you are putting that through an insurance claim and you are using the opportunity to completely respray the car. Hope he is experienced with fibreglass cars - if a factory clam it will basically need building from the base components.
Personally I would not expect your car back before Xmas - I would not want to rush him as the paint and finish is one of the main visual components of the car.
It was quoted at around 15 hours labour, that is to remove the clam, strip, sand back and fill all the stone chips, prime and paint etc. Also to black the grills. It was suggested the paint cost £250 and all in with a labour rate of around £35/hour it was around £900.
You will not get a full respray done properly on a fibreglass car for £500 - it should be several thousand.
Also you mention a new clam - is your "man" preparing and fitting this as it is not a case of just buying and popping back on - if a new clam it will also require a significant amount of fettling to fit to your car. Sounds like you are putting that through an insurance claim and you are using the opportunity to completely respray the car. Hope he is experienced with fibreglass cars - if a factory clam it will basically need building from the base components.
Personally I would not expect your car back before Xmas - I would not want to rush him as the paint and finish is one of the main visual components of the car.
Very good advice from David, my TVR needed a front respray due to the ill fitting of my windscreen. The car went back three times as I was unhappy with the work. In the end I took it to another body shop who had to give it a full respray to sort the bodged job. Cost autoglass a fortune but the car looked great. Spraying fibreglass cars is not easy!!
What everyone is saying is quite right. To do a decent job, the doors, sills and both clams should be taken off and painted separately. £500 would only cover one door IMO. As others have said, the new rear clam would have to be fitted properly to get it looking nice with reasonable panel gaps etc. which is labour intensive and therefore adds to the cost. Most Nobles have nice paint jobs and to have anything else would seriously affect its value IMO.
Thanks for the advice.Well the insurance are paying for the new clam etc and my guy has to blend the clam in with the doors so i thought silly to only do half the job thats why im getting him to give me a price to do the remainder of the car thats not covered by his insurance qoute.Im obviously not in the real world but £900 to spray the front clam seems a lot of anybodys money i did not know that the paint was so exspensive either at £250.
I agree with the comments made by others on here. Firstly I`d only take the car to a company that specialises in glassfibre bodied cars - and they tend to be much more expensive than the `quick blow over` type traders. I would think the chances of getting the car back in a few days are almost nil in my experience. When a learner driver parked on the front clam of my 3R the cost came to over £4K and took several weeks, (which wasn`t helped by delays caused by Noble only supplying parts through a dealer and then asking for cleared a payment up front). One of the first things they did with my vehicle was bake the whole car before starting the job to make sure nothing was going to happen to the other panels when it was finally done. I wouldn`t under estimate how long it takes to strip parts off the old clam and then assemble them to the new - lights - including wiring and sealing the pods, mesh grills, clam fasteners etc etc. My guy also took three goes before he was absolutely sure the paint colour was correct - and that was after hours preparing the `rough` new clam moulding. Mine was a front clam and it also took two goes to get all the light assemblies correctly aligned including the clear covers. He then spent ages getting everything aligned properly on the car. He also guarantees his work for the life of the car - does your body shop give such a guarantee. In my opinion if it`s an insurance claim you should go for the best specialist you can find and one that`s been recommended by someone who knows the business. (A friend of mine has just had a Marcos fully prepared and sprayed from a rough shell and that cost £4,500 from a specialist). I can`t believe that your guy would even contemplate letting you take the car before baking it after painting - it sounds like you`ve picked the wrong company.
Thanks for the comments BobE
the chap is highly reccomended from my mechanic and he does a lot of tvr stuff but his bread and butter is maeserati and ferrari as he used to work for ferrari doing all there stuff.He is very experienced in fibreglass and certainly knows what hes talking about.I know how precious we are about our cars and if someone is quite happy to let him do work on a 100k plus ferrari then he must be good plus i got another car body guy i know to look at my car and qoute as the insurance wanted 2 qoutes and he said that my car was in the best possible hands.Going back to my original question then so to spray a noble prep paint ? coats plus? lacquer is going to be more than a weeks work?.At the end of the day i dont want to pee him off by pushing him as i want a top notch job done
but considering my motor has been off the rd since nov 7th its understandable that im a bit gutted that progress has not been a little quicker.
the chap is highly reccomended from my mechanic and he does a lot of tvr stuff but his bread and butter is maeserati and ferrari as he used to work for ferrari doing all there stuff.He is very experienced in fibreglass and certainly knows what hes talking about.I know how precious we are about our cars and if someone is quite happy to let him do work on a 100k plus ferrari then he must be good plus i got another car body guy i know to look at my car and qoute as the insurance wanted 2 qoutes and he said that my car was in the best possible hands.Going back to my original question then so to spray a noble prep paint ? coats plus? lacquer is going to be more than a weeks work?.At the end of the day i dont want to pee him off by pushing him as i want a top notch job done
but considering my motor has been off the rd since nov 7th its understandable that im a bit gutted that progress has not been a little quicker.Well if he's highly recommended and the right man for the job then why are you asking here - he would have already explained to you what's involved, how long it will take him to do it properly and how much it will cost. Personally I would want a recommendations from other car owners before having such major work done outside of the Noble dealership.
Also if his bread and butter is Ferrari's and similar and he has the kit and overhead to deal with these and fibreglass then he will have some serious overheads that he needs to recover so expect that he should be charging £50+/hour (main dealers are now around £100/hr) so the job just got more expensive. If you want a cheaper job then expect to be at the back of the queue.
I used an Approved Porsche Dealership to look after my £100k+ (well it was at one point) 997TT but would I let any of them work on my Noble - no way - only use them for the warranty because I have to.
I presume that he has also explained that you car was originally painted using an oil based paint that are now prohibited and he will therefore have to find a water based substitute (but that will be a slightly different colour and therefore need mixing).
Understand you want your car back but you only want to get it back once so make sure you are using the right place (especially as the insurance are picking up most of the bill) and make sure they know what they are doing.
Good luck.
Also if his bread and butter is Ferrari's and similar and he has the kit and overhead to deal with these and fibreglass then he will have some serious overheads that he needs to recover so expect that he should be charging £50+/hour (main dealers are now around £100/hr) so the job just got more expensive. If you want a cheaper job then expect to be at the back of the queue.
I used an Approved Porsche Dealership to look after my £100k+ (well it was at one point) 997TT but would I let any of them work on my Noble - no way - only use them for the warranty because I have to.
I presume that he has also explained that you car was originally painted using an oil based paint that are now prohibited and he will therefore have to find a water based substitute (but that will be a slightly different colour and therefore need mixing).
Understand you want your car back but you only want to get it back once so make sure you are using the right place (especially as the insurance are picking up most of the bill) and make sure they know what they are doing.
Good luck.
Edited by david.mt on Saturday 11th December 16:19
Firstly, how will knowing what someone else expects it to cost help you in any way?
Secondly, you are paying for work to be done so make the bloke tell you how much it will be and when it will be finished or take it somewhere else. If he is taking the piss it doesn't matter how well recommended he came he is not, in fact, the man for the job at all.
Secondly, you are paying for work to be done so make the bloke tell you how much it will be and when it will be finished or take it somewhere else. If he is taking the piss it doesn't matter how well recommended he came he is not, in fact, the man for the job at all.
Fair point pothole.
At the end of the day i agree with what your saying but if you have not got a clue how much things like this cost then how do you know if your paying over the odds.I suspect my guy has got a few deadlines to meet b4 xmas and thats why he cant give me a straight answer when it will be done.I also know he said it depends how good the mould is and how easy it will be to fit the rear clam. Im a very easy going person so im just going to let him get on with it and i do realise that good jobs do take time (and dont come cheap and most of the time but not always the case you pay for what you get). At least i know i will have a mint looking 2.5 (well at least from the outside anyway when its done then it will be onto tackling the interior as i feel like going the whole hog and getting the car up to scratch.
At the end of the day i agree with what your saying but if you have not got a clue how much things like this cost then how do you know if your paying over the odds.I suspect my guy has got a few deadlines to meet b4 xmas and thats why he cant give me a straight answer when it will be done.I also know he said it depends how good the mould is and how easy it will be to fit the rear clam. Im a very easy going person so im just going to let him get on with it and i do realise that good jobs do take time (and dont come cheap and most of the time but not always the case you pay for what you get). At least i know i will have a mint looking 2.5 (well at least from the outside anyway when its done then it will be onto tackling the interior as i feel like going the whole hog and getting the car up to scratch.
Just so you know what might lay ahead.
Some time ago my M400 needed a new front clam and a repair to the rear clam around the wheel arch.
It was an insurance job, I asked the insurance company to let a Noble main dealer oversee the repairs (mainly due to the parts availabilty).
The insurance company insisted they had a "specilist" repair company who could do the job.
I was not happy and argued the toss with them regarding parts acess etc, they still insisted they could do the job "no problem".
NINE months later I had to threaten legal action to get my car sorted.
The "repairs" consisted of a front clam that sprung a foot in the air after being released from the Dzus fastners, a shut line along the front clam that you could stick a packet of fags into. and a poor paint finish.
The moral here is to find a fiberglass specialist who is used to working on this type of vehicle.
Oh! the end result was the insurance company having to buy the car off me for 44k and giving me a set of carbon fibre /mag wheels by way of compensation.
I can't say I was too upset at the time but I do miss the car a lot.
Some time ago my M400 needed a new front clam and a repair to the rear clam around the wheel arch.
It was an insurance job, I asked the insurance company to let a Noble main dealer oversee the repairs (mainly due to the parts availabilty).
The insurance company insisted they had a "specilist" repair company who could do the job.
I was not happy and argued the toss with them regarding parts acess etc, they still insisted they could do the job "no problem".
NINE months later I had to threaten legal action to get my car sorted.
The "repairs" consisted of a front clam that sprung a foot in the air after being released from the Dzus fastners, a shut line along the front clam that you could stick a packet of fags into. and a poor paint finish.
The moral here is to find a fiberglass specialist who is used to working on this type of vehicle.
Oh! the end result was the insurance company having to buy the car off me for 44k and giving me a set of carbon fibre /mag wheels by way of compensation.
I can't say I was too upset at the time but I do miss the car a lot.
Had my front clam painted just a 4 months ago, they also col coded my mirrors, door handle and wing supports the cost 1K seems alot for not much work but its important to have a couple of coats of paint with a good quality laq finish, as the job done before was rubbish and any stone caused bad chipping.
Now 4 months on, I have had no stone chips, so cheap is def a false economy.
Now 4 months on, I have had no stone chips, so cheap is def a false economy.
Just a quick point on this. When I had my repair done and was not happy, my insurance company sent out an independent asseser to inspect the work. It was he who told me, off the record, that I did not have to use the repair specialist they recommended, but could use another specialist of my own choice, which is what I did.
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