Questions to ask when buying "old" Model Y remotely
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Thinking of buying Mrs Foolish a 2nd hand Model Y*. So I don't feel too bad about this it would have to be a Model Y Performance - or at a push the Long Range with the accelleration upgrade**. Sweet spot seems to be about 15-25k miles and paying about 35k, give or take, from a dealer.
None are particularly close so it would be likely a remote buy (even if final decision made in person) if it goes ahead. What I'm wondering is if you can get stuff like e.g. battery state through the touchscreen? What other questions are worth asking?
*Well it's mostly for Mrs Foolish but it would be our main Little Foolish car - it seems practical for kids.
**Can we buy any long range and apply the accelleration upgrade ourselves if necessary? If that were the case then things would be a lot easier
None are particularly close so it would be likely a remote buy (even if final decision made in person) if it goes ahead. What I'm wondering is if you can get stuff like e.g. battery state through the touchscreen? What other questions are worth asking?
*Well it's mostly for Mrs Foolish but it would be our main Little Foolish car - it seems practical for kids.
**Can we buy any long range and apply the accelleration upgrade ourselves if necessary? If that were the case then things would be a lot easier
Edited by Somewhatfoolish on Tuesday 18th March 22:12
wyson said:
If it veers to the right?
If the glass roof makes a lot of noise when it heils?
If its well built and might last 1000 years?
Not gonna lie, this was very good If the glass roof makes a lot of noise when it heils?
If its well built and might last 1000 years?
(TBH my view is that while in the USA they're having a good ole fashioned culture war, in the UK we're all gonna be able to separate drivers from the cars from the company from the current minority shareholder who stole the company so I'm not especially bothered about it other than what it does to resale values a few years down the line. I don't think very much tbh.)
Edited by Somewhatfoolish on Wednesday 19th March 00:41
Battery won’t be an issue. They pretty much either fail and are under warranty or just have a touch of early degradation and then plateau. The latest software release also gives the ability to see health although few cars have that yet, and the hidden service mode also has an option but I doubt a dealer will run that for you as it takes 24 hours pluggedi to a charger.
Acceleration boost can be added to LR AWD, it gets you close but isn’t a P. It also doesn’t have the wheels, on the flip side the P wheels show up any curb damage, and they seem easier to curb than most, maybe it’s the lack of proper surround cameras
It’s worth getting an insurance quotes before you commit, some don’t have a problem, others do, only you know all your details. And there is a growing backlash, whether you agree or care doesn’t matter if that starts being reflected in insurance prices and depreciation, which is already high. Depreciation on a 2022 LR car was £8k last year, and £12k on a P, and isn’t showing much sign of slowing down. Gerneral warranty will drop off a 2022 next year which hurts and Tesla have struggled to find 3rd party warranty providers to extend the factory warranty, and Tesla’s like many EVs also depreciate as the end of battery warranty starts to get close.
The quality and ride debate often comes down to what you’re used to, if you’re used to anything that might be considered even remotely premium, you might be disappointed, just read tge reviews of the juniper model and all the improvements that have been made to a car that allegedly didn’t need improvement.
Acceleration boost can be added to LR AWD, it gets you close but isn’t a P. It also doesn’t have the wheels, on the flip side the P wheels show up any curb damage, and they seem easier to curb than most, maybe it’s the lack of proper surround cameras
It’s worth getting an insurance quotes before you commit, some don’t have a problem, others do, only you know all your details. And there is a growing backlash, whether you agree or care doesn’t matter if that starts being reflected in insurance prices and depreciation, which is already high. Depreciation on a 2022 LR car was £8k last year, and £12k on a P, and isn’t showing much sign of slowing down. Gerneral warranty will drop off a 2022 next year which hurts and Tesla have struggled to find 3rd party warranty providers to extend the factory warranty, and Tesla’s like many EVs also depreciate as the end of battery warranty starts to get close.
The quality and ride debate often comes down to what you’re used to, if you’re used to anything that might be considered even remotely premium, you might be disappointed, just read tge reviews of the juniper model and all the improvements that have been made to a car that allegedly didn’t need improvement.
Well, I've bought one (2022 Performance). Unseen and just working off description/report. Will report how big a mistake (or not) when I get it... Happily distance selling regs apply so I can reject it for any reason, not just CRA ones.
It seemed reasonably keenly priced for a dealer one - 9k miles, first registered Nov 2022. 35.5k. They're currently reconditioning the alloys which supports the above comment!
(I'm not a fan of big wheels on cars full stop but you can't fight fashion sadly).
(Insurance is pricey but not ridiculous - £900ish for fully comp with Mrs Foolish. Would be £600 in my name).
It seemed reasonably keenly priced for a dealer one - 9k miles, first registered Nov 2022. 35.5k. They're currently reconditioning the alloys which supports the above comment!
(I'm not a fan of big wheels on cars full stop but you can't fight fashion sadly).
(Insurance is pricey but not ridiculous - £900ish for fully comp with Mrs Foolish. Would be £600 in my name).
Edited by Somewhatfoolish on Wednesday 26th March 17:02
Well, I picked it up today. Seems decent to me for the price, nothing obviously damaged. The straight line performance is exceptional for a 2 tonne blob imo - I honestly think it's better for overtaking in real world conditions (so considering not just the theoretical accelleration but the accessibililty of it) than 99% of cars on the road, as good as a mid range sports bike. Certainly gave some people a shock driving it back up'north...
OTOH I am kinda concerned about Mrs Foolish driving it. I should have given this more thought. Oh well.
Also I got the insurance down to under £700 through a multicar discount. Which was nice.
OTOH I am kinda concerned about Mrs Foolish driving it. I should have given this more thought. Oh well.
Also I got the insurance down to under £700 through a multicar discount. Which was nice.
Edited by Somewhatfoolish on Tuesday 1st April 21:01
Somewhatfoolish said:
Well, I picked it up today. Seems decent to me for the price, nothing obviously damaged. The straight line performance is exceptional for a 2 tonne blob imo - I honestly think it's better for overtaking in real world conditions (so considering not just the theoretical accelleration but the accessibililty of it) than 99% of cars on the road, as good as a mid range sports bike. Certainly gave some people a shock driving it back up'north...
OTOH I am kinda concerned about Mrs Foolish driving it. I should have given this more thought. Oh well.
Also I got the insurance down to under £700 through a multicar discount. Which was nice.
Congrats - we'll be interested to hear how you both get on with it over some time...OTOH I am kinda concerned about Mrs Foolish driving it. I should have given this more thought. Oh well.
Also I got the insurance down to under £700 through a multicar discount. Which was nice.
Edited by Somewhatfoolish on Tuesday 1st April 21:01
And yes, the overtaking/mid-range punch is definitely one of the best things about EVs... No transmissions or peaky turbo powerbands to worry about - they just go!
My first update (wonder if this should be moved to Readers cars?) - trying to use it as much as possible atm, everything else parked.
Still in awe of the performance for a blob. No, objectively it's not fast, I get that. But for a family ca it's absolutely fast enough and all you need (not as good as the M5 touring I was pushing for with Mrs Foolish but not gonna revisit that argument, and it's a helluva lot cheaper... I still reserve right to get one though, it's more my sort of thing).
Still awaiting V5 handover and therefore being able to associate Tesla app + phones and things. Doesn't seem to matter very much, driving wise as far as I can see this will only be useful for automatically switching driver profiles. But it does mean we're missing supercharger access atm and haven't wired up house yet (this will be done reasonably shortly). So paying over the odds for charge.
Was able to update it using our wifi without the above; main useful impact of this has been getting the matrix lights working. Incidentally before the upgrade I got to see what I assume were uncalibrated matrix lights which was a very interesting effect. Assume that's what owners saw for a couple of years.
The sentry mode doesn't tell you it uses a few % of the battery overnight. This is ridiculous but normal. So have learned to disable that.
Not particularly important but it's ridiculous the frunk is so delicate you are supposed to close it in a special way.
In a similar vein I'd like to test a) stopping using the parking brake and b) the emergency door handles but am a bit concerned about the warnings in the manual about doing either. Is there any real risk of damage? To my mind these are not things you want to test for the first time when you need them. Fairly confident I can use the door opening but how powerful is the parking brake, if I put it on at 60 am I going to lock the rear wheels or...?
I don't like that you can only see a few of the exterior cameras through the menu. On a modern car sold on its tech I expect a 3d/birdseye view but if not then at the very least to see the damn things. There are some very tight multistorys they would be useful for.
Absolutely no bad things have happened from owning it in terms of reactions from fellow human beings, because we are not crazy Americans. Not sure I'd feel comfortable in Hoxton or something mind.
Find it amusing that in the depths of the history menu it's wanting a tyre rotation... on asymmetrical directional tyres...
"Chill mode" is nice and slow even if you mash pedal to floor so fine for Mrs Foolish.
Have ordered some more key cards. I like how cheap they are.
Not got around yet to playing with some of the weirder things like light shows.
Autopilot follows far too close yet is also far too cautious about approaching vehicles with empty lanes next to them.
Think that covers everything.
Still in awe of the performance for a blob. No, objectively it's not fast, I get that. But for a family ca it's absolutely fast enough and all you need (not as good as the M5 touring I was pushing for with Mrs Foolish but not gonna revisit that argument, and it's a helluva lot cheaper... I still reserve right to get one though, it's more my sort of thing).
Still awaiting V5 handover and therefore being able to associate Tesla app + phones and things. Doesn't seem to matter very much, driving wise as far as I can see this will only be useful for automatically switching driver profiles. But it does mean we're missing supercharger access atm and haven't wired up house yet (this will be done reasonably shortly). So paying over the odds for charge.
Was able to update it using our wifi without the above; main useful impact of this has been getting the matrix lights working. Incidentally before the upgrade I got to see what I assume were uncalibrated matrix lights which was a very interesting effect. Assume that's what owners saw for a couple of years.
The sentry mode doesn't tell you it uses a few % of the battery overnight. This is ridiculous but normal. So have learned to disable that.
Not particularly important but it's ridiculous the frunk is so delicate you are supposed to close it in a special way.
In a similar vein I'd like to test a) stopping using the parking brake and b) the emergency door handles but am a bit concerned about the warnings in the manual about doing either. Is there any real risk of damage? To my mind these are not things you want to test for the first time when you need them. Fairly confident I can use the door opening but how powerful is the parking brake, if I put it on at 60 am I going to lock the rear wheels or...?
I don't like that you can only see a few of the exterior cameras through the menu. On a modern car sold on its tech I expect a 3d/birdseye view but if not then at the very least to see the damn things. There are some very tight multistorys they would be useful for.
Absolutely no bad things have happened from owning it in terms of reactions from fellow human beings, because we are not crazy Americans. Not sure I'd feel comfortable in Hoxton or something mind.
Find it amusing that in the depths of the history menu it's wanting a tyre rotation... on asymmetrical directional tyres...
"Chill mode" is nice and slow even if you mash pedal to floor so fine for Mrs Foolish.
Have ordered some more key cards. I like how cheap they are.
Not got around yet to playing with some of the weirder things like light shows.
Autopilot follows far too close yet is also far too cautious about approaching vehicles with empty lanes next to them.
Think that covers everything.
None of the cameras point down to show the curb, so even if you could use all of them it wouldn’t help. Tesla have also finally capitulated and admitted a front bumper camera is needed as the Tesla vision based parking solution instead of the tried and tested parking sensors needs help. Just a couple of million cars built without the capability, and some models like the 3 still being built without the ability.
Somewhatfoolish said:
...Autopilot follows far too close yet is also far too cautious about approaching vehicles with empty lanes next to them...
Autopilot follow distance is adjustable via the righthand scroll wheel.Agreed re: lane change.
I personally wouldn't even consider trying to stop via the parking brake. No idea what would actually happen, but I can't see the point in finding out....
Zcd1 said:
I personally wouldn't even consider trying to stop via the parking brake. No idea what would actually happen, but I can't see the point in finding out....
Whenever I get a new car I take it out and do emergency stops, emergency lane changes, etc as the last thing you want to find out is its capabilities when the emergency actually happens. So since the car has a procedure for using the parking brake I really should try it, but the warning against ever doing unless it's an emergency I find a bit off putting. (And I just checked against another car manual I happen to have lying around - E Class - to see if "they all do it" and they clearly don't)Somewhatfoolish said:
Whenever I get a new car I take it out and do emergency stops, emergency lane changes, etc as the last thing you want to find out is its capabilities when the emergency actually happens. So since the car has a procedure for using the parking brake I really should try it, but the warning against ever doing unless it's an emergency I find a bit off putting. (And I just checked against another car manual I happen to have lying around - E Class - to see if "they all do it" and they clearly don't)
Understanding a new vehicle's dynamic capabilities and limitations is important.I've never heard of anyone trying a parking brake stop as a test.
Danm1les said:
Which dealer did you order it from? Assume they were all ok with handover etc?
Powerlease near Bedford. They were dead easy - barely spoke to them really either remotely or in person, just reserved it through their website by putting £500 down, had a 2 min phone call, sent the rest of the cash, booked a time to pick it up (slightly annoyingly they don't do weekends), then went down there and got it. No hard sells to try to make me finance it or get an extra warranty. They also refurbished the alloys for me; this would already have been arranged obviously but the key point is unlike some dealers they didn't cancel it! Although I've had to do the app handover myself and it's still not complete (protip: don't take the "front page" and "last page" instructions for photographing the V5 literally... but I never claimed to be great at common sense) but I don't think that can be laid at their door, I think it is the previous owner who's "supposed" to do it. I know what said owner looks like too cause there's still sentry footage, heh.
Somewhatfoolish said:
Powerlease near Bedford. They were dead easy - barely spoke to them really either remotely or in person, just reserved it through their website by putting £500 down, had a 2 min phone call, sent the rest of the cash, booked a time to pick it up (slightly annoyingly they don't do weekends), then went down there and got it. No hard sells to try to make me finance it or get an extra warranty. They also refurbished the alloys for me; this would already have been arranged obviously but the key point is unlike some dealers they didn't cancel it!
Although I've had to do the app handover myself and it's still not complete (protip: don't take the "front page" and "last page" instructions for photographing the V5 literally... but I never claimed to be great at common sense) but I don't think that can be laid at their door, I think it is the previous owner who's "supposed" to do it. I know what said owner looks like too cause there's still sentry footage, heh.
Perfect thanks. They always come up on AT keenly priced and certainly have some stock! Good to hear they were alright to deal with too Although I've had to do the app handover myself and it's still not complete (protip: don't take the "front page" and "last page" instructions for photographing the V5 literally... but I never claimed to be great at common sense) but I don't think that can be laid at their door, I think it is the previous owner who's "supposed" to do it. I know what said owner looks like too cause there's still sentry footage, heh.
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