Discussion
a GT40 replica has always interested me..
Now that GTD are no longer, what's the current thinking on best GT40 replica.
I hear Tornado cars are a good choice.
Are parts/panels interchangeable between manufacturers? If replacement panels were needed for a GTD are they easy to get, or can u use those from another builder..
Think id prefer to stick with a UK based company, but RCR look good as well, and they also do a Mk 4 version
i suppose they must make a pretty uncompromising road car. Air-con would be essential i would have thought.
Now that GTD are no longer, what's the current thinking on best GT40 replica.
I hear Tornado cars are a good choice.
Are parts/panels interchangeable between manufacturers? If replacement panels were needed for a GTD are they easy to get, or can u use those from another builder..
Think id prefer to stick with a UK based company, but RCR look good as well, and they also do a Mk 4 version
i suppose they must make a pretty uncompromising road car. Air-con would be essential i would have thought.
there are a lot replica builders, also in the UK at least 3 or 4 I think 
I guess its also a bit what you want to pay for it...
Tornado is a safe bet I guess,
anyway, GT40 are timeless beautiful, one day I hope to own a good one too, preferable LHD and a power to weight of 1hp for every 2kg.
there are a few nice ones in the classifieds
I guess its also a bit what you want to pay for it...
Tornado is a safe bet I guess,
anyway, GT40 are timeless beautiful, one day I hope to own a good one too, preferable LHD and a power to weight of 1hp for every 2kg.
there are a few nice ones in the classifieds
hi Rene
yes it is a beautiful design, so ahead of its time...
mine would have to be without livery, road spec with borrani wire wheels....! (a bit like one in the pic)
i believe even the Tornado weighs in at 1000Ks, so u want 500BHP motor!
However, i hear they now do a carbon-fibre tub
Oh LHD, thats not very original!!
yes it is a beautiful design, so ahead of its time...
mine would have to be without livery, road spec with borrani wire wheels....! (a bit like one in the pic)
i believe even the Tornado weighs in at 1000Ks, so u want 500BHP motor!
However, i hear they now do a carbon-fibre tub
Oh LHD, thats not very original!!
Hi,
I looked at all the GT40 replicas and for various reasons went with Southern GT www.southerngt.co.uk . I have not regretted my decision.
Mick who owns Southern GT has worked on and got most manufacturers cars through IVA and I cannot recommend him highly enough. Well worth talking to him.
Also, if you haven't already done so you need to visit www.gt40s.com and join the GT 40 enthusiasts club. They will be at the NEC classic car show in November and should have 3 cars on the stand.
Regards
Nick
I looked at all the GT40 replicas and for various reasons went with Southern GT www.southerngt.co.uk . I have not regretted my decision.
Mick who owns Southern GT has worked on and got most manufacturers cars through IVA and I cannot recommend him highly enough. Well worth talking to him.
Also, if you haven't already done so you need to visit www.gt40s.com and join the GT 40 enthusiasts club. They will be at the NEC classic car show in November and should have 3 cars on the stand.
Regards
Nick
Edited by Nick Brough on Wednesday 12th October 21:02
Edited by Nick Brough on Wednesday 12th October 21:05
hi geeeman, so your in for more original
I'm not so, yes I like the original look, but with modern suspension and brakes etc.
LHD is ofcorse not original but I copyd that in mirror look ;-) lol...
Southern GT is indeed also very nice, but I believe also a bit more expensive...?
some GT40 are lighter then the others...
here i have a few I collected but remember all depends what engine or wheels or options? you put on/in.
some are even 1200kg...thats to much for me, you feel that weight.
I'm not so, yes I like the original look, but with modern suspension and brakes etc.
LHD is ofcorse not original but I copyd that in mirror look ;-) lol...
Southern GT is indeed also very nice, but I believe also a bit more expensive...?
some GT40 are lighter then the others...
here i have a few I collected but remember all depends what engine or wheels or options? you put on/in.
lovestory said:
GTD space frame weighs in at 2635lbs (1195kg)
RCR Alu mono weighs in at 2326lbs (1055kg)
ERA GT stainless semi-mono weighs in at 2350lbs<>2550lbs (1066kg or 1157kg)
DRB weighs in at 2668lbs (1210kg)
TS40 (UK) (ford 302) space frame weighs in at 2120lbs (962kg)
TS40 (UK) (ford 302) Alu mono weighs in at 1960lbs (889kg)
TS40 (UK) (Ford 302)carbon mono weighs in at 1850lbs (839kg)
CAV weighs in at 2524lbs (1145kg)
CAV met 427i rbt ZF weighs in at 2745lbs (1245kg)
SPF mk1/mk2 spaceframe zinc weighs in at 2400lbs (1089kg)
Southern GT (UK) space frame weighs in at 2134lbs (970kg)
all are close at a 58% rear and 42% front ratio
so say I buy a 900kg GT40 then I "only" need 450hp RCR Alu mono weighs in at 2326lbs (1055kg)
ERA GT stainless semi-mono weighs in at 2350lbs<>2550lbs (1066kg or 1157kg)
DRB weighs in at 2668lbs (1210kg)
TS40 (UK) (ford 302) space frame weighs in at 2120lbs (962kg)
TS40 (UK) (ford 302) Alu mono weighs in at 1960lbs (889kg)
TS40 (UK) (Ford 302)carbon mono weighs in at 1850lbs (839kg)
CAV weighs in at 2524lbs (1145kg)
CAV met 427i rbt ZF weighs in at 2745lbs (1245kg)
SPF mk1/mk2 spaceframe zinc weighs in at 2400lbs (1089kg)
Southern GT (UK) space frame weighs in at 2134lbs (970kg)
all are close at a 58% rear and 42% front ratio
some are even 1200kg...thats to much for me, you feel that weight.
http://www.gt40s.com/forum/gt40-build-logs/22164-r...
i like this one.
i did hear/read somewhere that the original RF body was a copy off one of the other uk kits. even so given that its glass fiber repo there is probably a 5% tolerance on the shape from car to car even when from the same manufacturer after it being out of the mould for 5 years. I dont think there would be an issue getting pannels from one supplier to fit another car. the glass rear window with the demister wire that RF do has been used in a DRB if im not mistaken.
i like this one.
i did hear/read somewhere that the original RF body was a copy off one of the other uk kits. even so given that its glass fiber repo there is probably a 5% tolerance on the shape from car to car even when from the same manufacturer after it being out of the mould for 5 years. I dont think there would be an issue getting pannels from one supplier to fit another car. the glass rear window with the demister wire that RF do has been used in a DRB if im not mistaken.
Not yet seen the TS version under its skin, looked very nice at the show though and would certainly take a good look during research.
The RCR is generally very well engineered and seemingly a nice, stiff chassis design too.
Guess they all have plus and minus points, depends on what the plan is with the end car, builder skills and to a lesser degree, geography.
Having spoken with the current suppliers mentioned, there was only Fran who didnt get on the defensive about his product.... Depsite some straight talking questions/suggestions he remained quite open, receptive and balanced.. and although they are not ruled out of my choice the other manufacturers who promptly slated the competition, did have me wondering why !
Theres another top-end Kit manufacturer (of a unique model) who behave similarly in defence of their ten year old two model offering.. Does nothing for sales when you slap all your customers for as much as possible yet remain 110% idle when it comes to developing or updating their product...
Just my 2 cent to think about when considering parting with your £50k +
G luck.
The RCR is generally very well engineered and seemingly a nice, stiff chassis design too.
Guess they all have plus and minus points, depends on what the plan is with the end car, builder skills and to a lesser degree, geography.
Having spoken with the current suppliers mentioned, there was only Fran who didnt get on the defensive about his product.... Depsite some straight talking questions/suggestions he remained quite open, receptive and balanced.. and although they are not ruled out of my choice the other manufacturers who promptly slated the competition, did have me wondering why !
Theres another top-end Kit manufacturer (of a unique model) who behave similarly in defence of their ten year old two model offering.. Does nothing for sales when you slap all your customers for as much as possible yet remain 110% idle when it comes to developing or updating their product...
Just my 2 cent to think about when considering parting with your £50k +
G luck.
Paul,
Good choice.
It is always going to be a subjective decision but the fact that when you visit Mick he usually has a range of other manufacturers cars in to be got through IVA or having things put right etc speaks volumes for me.
I remember one visit when he had an example of an MDA, RCR , GTD, KVA, Tornado and Southern GT in.
Regards
Nick
Good choice.
It is always going to be a subjective decision but the fact that when you visit Mick he usually has a range of other manufacturers cars in to be got through IVA or having things put right etc speaks volumes for me.
I remember one visit when he had an example of an MDA, RCR , GTD, KVA, Tornado and Southern GT in.
Regards
Nick
Nick Brough said:
Paul,
Good choice.
It is always going to be a subjective decision but the fact that when you visit Mick he usually has a range of other manufacturers cars in to be got through IVA or having things put right etc speaks volumes for me.
I remember one visit when he had an example of an MDA, RCR , GTD, KVA, Tornado and Southern GT in.
Regards
Nick
thats nice, so you can get a better idea what suits you best.Good choice.
It is always going to be a subjective decision but the fact that when you visit Mick he usually has a range of other manufacturers cars in to be got through IVA or having things put right etc speaks volumes for me.
I remember one visit when he had an example of an MDA, RCR , GTD, KVA, Tornado and Southern GT in.
Regards
Nick
GTRene said:
Nick Brough said:
Paul,
Good choice.
It
is always going to be a subjective decision but the fact that when you visit Mick he usually has a range of other manufacturers cars in to be got through IVA or having things put right etc speaks volumes for me.
I remember one visit when he had an example of an MDA, RCR , GTD, KVA, Tornado and Southern GT in.
Regards
Nick
thats nice, so you can get a better idea what suits you best.Good choice.
It
is always going to be a subjective decision but the fact that when you visit Mick he usually has a range of other manufacturers cars in to be got through IVA or having things put right etc speaks volumes for me.I remember one visit when he had an example of an MDA, RCR , GTD, KVA, Tornado and Southern GT in.
Regards
Nick
)SGT for me though, Mick was excellent and explained how I could build it within budget by using
All in the planning still though as need to finish extension and double garage
, sell the Porsche and welcome soon to be little Paulbavette into the world.....
Not to mention get approval............
Can't wait though, just looking to source a 302 I can rebuild at the moment to keep me busy, any ideas anyone???
Paul
not gonna be quick but it will be good Paulbav said:
Can't wait though, just looking to source a 302 I can rebuild at the moment to keep me busy, any ideas anyone???
Paul
Paul,Paul
I started by getting a 351W of ebay for £200, (wish I had got a 302). They do come up now and again. Do you know what gearbox you are going to use.
Regards
Nick
Nick
Nick Brough said:
Paulbav said:
Can't wait though, just looking to source a 302 I can rebuild at the moment to keep me busy, any ideas anyone???
Paul
Paul,Paul
I started by getting a 351W of ebay for £200, (wish I had got a 302). They do come up now and again. Do you know what gearbox you are going to use.
Regards
Nick
Nick
Gonna have to be the Renault UN1 as I'm going to be doing this on a very tight budget, would love to put a ZF in but mega money!!
I have a G50 in the garage but figure it will make the car hard to sell without it
Paul
Paul
Many use the Renault box it just does not seem strong enough to me. I have got a G50 looks more up to the job, I know a lot of the big horsepower Ultimas use them.
Whatever you use it will be a great car.
Nick
PS you could always put the Renault / Audi box in the Porsche they will never know.
Many use the Renault box it just does not seem strong enough to me. I have got a G50 looks more up to the job, I know a lot of the big horsepower Ultimas use them.
Whatever you use it will be a great car.
Nick
PS you could always put the Renault / Audi box in the Porsche they will never know.
Edited by Nick Brough on Friday 14th October 18:45
All GT40 reps are only as good as how they are built. A chap near me who is a well known fabricator by trade, is building a KVA. He is in year 18, and the build quality is simply amazing. There's probably not much of the KVA which has not been severely fettled, but it will be a very nice example when built.
The RCR is a very well engineered kit. Its a shame the grey one built by Terry H was a bit rushed, it did not do the underpinnings justice. The problem with RCR however is that the owner is a hard guy to do business with.
If you want to understand the relative benefits of each kit, go to Tornado to view their car. After an hour of bashing his competition to death, Mr Sheldon might tell you something about his product you can't determine from his website. And his monocoque has a much steel in it as it does carbon. Pointless. The weight saving would come from carbon front and rear clips, but to produce those properly (even in Z preg as the Macca F1 GTR was)would be very expensive.
The RCR is a very well engineered kit. Its a shame the grey one built by Terry H was a bit rushed, it did not do the underpinnings justice. The problem with RCR however is that the owner is a hard guy to do business with.
If you want to understand the relative benefits of each kit, go to Tornado to view their car. After an hour of bashing his competition to death, Mr Sheldon might tell you something about his product you can't determine from his website. And his monocoque has a much steel in it as it does carbon. Pointless. The weight saving would come from carbon front and rear clips, but to produce those properly (even in Z preg as the Macca F1 GTR was)would be very expensive.
lovestory said:
GTD space frame weighs in at 2635lbs (1195kg)
RCR Alu mono weighs in at 2326lbs (1055kg)
ERA GT stainless semi-mono weighs in at 2350lbs<>2550lbs (1066kg or 1157kg)
DRB weighs in at 2668lbs (1210kg)
TS40 (UK) (ford 302) space frame weighs in at 2120lbs (962kg)
TS40 (UK) (ford 302) Alu mono weighs in at 1960lbs (889kg)
TS40 (UK) (Ford 302)carbon mono weighs in at 1850lbs (839kg)
CAV weighs in at 2524lbs (1145kg)
CAV met 427i rbt ZF weighs in at 2745lbs (1245kg)
SPF mk1/mk2 spaceframe zinc weighs in at 2400lbs (1089kg)
Southern GT (UK) space frame weighs in at 2134lbs (970kg)
all are close at a 58% rear and 42% front ratio
But weight is only one factor.RCR Alu mono weighs in at 2326lbs (1055kg)
ERA GT stainless semi-mono weighs in at 2350lbs<>2550lbs (1066kg or 1157kg)
DRB weighs in at 2668lbs (1210kg)
TS40 (UK) (ford 302) space frame weighs in at 2120lbs (962kg)
TS40 (UK) (ford 302) Alu mono weighs in at 1960lbs (889kg)
TS40 (UK) (Ford 302)carbon mono weighs in at 1850lbs (839kg)
CAV weighs in at 2524lbs (1145kg)
CAV met 427i rbt ZF weighs in at 2745lbs (1245kg)
SPF mk1/mk2 spaceframe zinc weighs in at 2400lbs (1089kg)
Southern GT (UK) space frame weighs in at 2134lbs (970kg)
all are close at a 58% rear and 42% front ratio
A quick look at their websites reveals that the two lightest designs have no obvious lateral bracing at the back. I'm not convinced by the RCR CNC ally wishbones at all. Only SPF quotes a stiffness value. The RCR and CAV have no obvious lack of bracing.
Several of the websites emphasise how they have thought about the design to improve accuracy, interior space, CoG or known issues with the cars. That, together with a fully braced chassis, and simple V wishbones, would get my money quickest.
Corrosion resistance has got to be important in our climate to.
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