Total Headturners Tornado Mclaren M6 GTR
Discussion
Anyone know or viewed this car?:
http://www.totalheadturners.com/carforsale/136-McL...
It's been for sale for quite sometime but looks pretty awesome.
I may be going to view. Any opinions on the Tornado chassis (also used for their GT40) also welcome. Thanks.
http://www.totalheadturners.com/carforsale/136-McL...
It's been for sale for quite sometime but looks pretty awesome.
I may be going to view. Any opinions on the Tornado chassis (also used for their GT40) also welcome. Thanks.
I am no M6 authority, but I love classic car racing and have seen a genuine M6 road car. That one just doesn't look right to me??? Maybe just the details like lights and wheel type, maybe that doesn't worry you but it doesn't look like a genuine M6 in my eyes. Still a nice car though, looks great but not correct and I would work about the £30k bit...
Thanks. You're right. The Tornado rep is famed for its 'square' roof and curved screen top which is a departure from the original.
I also agree with your opinion on the wheels - but of course they would be easy to change.
The deal in principle I am working takes account of the fact it hasn't yet sold at the asking price.
Much appreciated.
I also agree with your opinion on the wheels - but of course they would be easy to change.
The deal in principle I am working takes account of the fact it hasn't yet sold at the asking price.
Much appreciated.
It's a Stratos (rep) windscreen in that black car.
This uses the same:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3144033.htm
This uses the same:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3144033.htm
ChrisJ. said:
It's a Stratos (rep) windscreen in that black car.
This uses the same:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3144033.htm
Useful info thanks!This uses the same:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3144033.htm
Nice Kamala in the link too...
That's an interesting post...
Surely with anything, and kitcars in particular due to no two being anything like the same, the value is what someone is prepared to pay???
So how can their prices be too high?? They seem to be still in business after a fair few years.
The prices may be more than you want to pay, but that doesn't mean they are wrong. It might just mean that you are too cheap...
Surely with anything, and kitcars in particular due to no two being anything like the same, the value is what someone is prepared to pay???
So how can their prices be too high?? They seem to be still in business after a fair few years.
The prices may be more than you want to pay, but that doesn't mean they are wrong. It might just mean that you are too cheap...
So its a McLaren M6 replica that is visually quite different with definately wrong bodywork, completely wrong wheels ( not cheap to replace )and I think (?) the wrong lights...
So its a V8 powered kitcar, albeiet maybe a nice car in its own right, just a visual at-a-glance homage to a McLaren M6. Looks trimmed quite basically too.
I have not looked at car obviously but i'd say it could well be £15k overpriced for what it is. But as you say, one is born every minute...
£20k gets you a Hawk Stratos or a decent Cobra rep, so at that price it has to be good.
So its a V8 powered kitcar, albeiet maybe a nice car in its own right, just a visual at-a-glance homage to a McLaren M6. Looks trimmed quite basically too.
I have not looked at car obviously but i'd say it could well be £15k overpriced for what it is. But as you say, one is born every minute...
£20k gets you a Hawk Stratos or a decent Cobra rep, so at that price it has to be good.
Furyblade_Lee said:
So its a V8 powered kitcar, albeiet maybe a nice car in its own right, just a visual at-a-glance homage to a McLaren M6. Looks trimmed quite basically too.
True Lee, but if you want a mid-engined V8 then it doesn't matter how it stacks up against Cobras or Strato's.... Thing is just how DO you compare it's price? I think it looks OK, whether it's close enough to the M6 is another matter. UVA Montage anyone?That Tornado was up for grabs here on PH for a loooooong time - it started around £25k IIRC and final price was around £19k. It looks nothing like a real McLaren M6 - nowhere near wide enough at the back end, nor low enough, nor rounded enough.
An MR2 355 is much closer to a 355 than that is to a real M6!
Seen the green Miura there? It was bought off ebay for £6k - you have to admire the entrepreneurialism!
An MR2 355 is much closer to a 355 than that is to a real M6!
Seen the green Miura there? It was bought off ebay for £6k - you have to admire the entrepreneurialism!
Edited by smash on Saturday 5th November 18:13
Furyblade_Lee said:
With an Ulima GTR? £30k buy a lot of used Ultima, and that M6 is nearly 20 years old.
Quite, but wouldn't you agree with two important points...1. You never advertise something you are selling for the actual price you hope to end up with and likewise never pay the asking price if you are buying...and,
2. The value of ANYTHING is only ever what someone is willing to pay.
I'd add that given the choice of that 'replica' or an Ultima in identical spec I'd take the Tornado! The Ult shape does nothing for me. A GDT70, however....
Interesting comments, thanks to all.
I can't find a non-private Ultima under £30k - except the one the Total Headturners are offering. This is obviously a basic, early car (but may be none the worse for that). I enquired about that as well but they're keener to shift the Tornado. I think I'm keener to buy it too. The Ultima interior looks too basic for me.
The Tornado appears to be very high quality. I'll find out if I view in the flesh. The comments about its pricing and sale on PH are insightful thanks and probably indicate the market value. I accept it's not an exact visual facsimile, but reps few are and it's better than others I've seen images of (pop-up lights etc).
The guys at TH tell me the car has sold several times but each time the buyer has backed out prior to collection.
I think a quality, sorted, yank V8 mid-engined kit is going to be £20-£25k as a starting point isn't it? Assuming the Tornado GT40 chassis is any good. Anyone got any experience?
I can't find a non-private Ultima under £30k - except the one the Total Headturners are offering. This is obviously a basic, early car (but may be none the worse for that). I enquired about that as well but they're keener to shift the Tornado. I think I'm keener to buy it too. The Ultima interior looks too basic for me.
The Tornado appears to be very high quality. I'll find out if I view in the flesh. The comments about its pricing and sale on PH are insightful thanks and probably indicate the market value. I accept it's not an exact visual facsimile, but reps few are and it's better than others I've seen images of (pop-up lights etc).
The guys at TH tell me the car has sold several times but each time the buyer has backed out prior to collection.
I think a quality, sorted, yank V8 mid-engined kit is going to be £20-£25k as a starting point isn't it? Assuming the Tornado GT40 chassis is any good. Anyone got any experience?
i remember there was a rover V8 powered retro style kitcar in realy nice condition offered for sale from a dealer around 2 years ago....he wanted 13500pound...finally i had it down to 7500...unfortunately i needed the money somewhere else...the car changed from the 1st dealer to the 2nd dealer...this guy sold it soon....a few months later i visited a car-meeting in france...a german guy was arriving with the above mentioned car (and his wife as passenger)...they exited the car in a way as they wanted to say "hey, look here...we have the best ´historic` car over here"...i went to them...asked if they have recently bought this car in UK...the answer was YES...i replied "yes, i got the car also offered..... for 7500, but i needed the money elsewhere"....the wife started to change her mood...the anger was written in her face...they paid 16500,-euro in UK!!!!
the wife was pissed off that her husband bought a car far too highly priced...and i think they had a veeeery "nice" day togehter!!!that wasnt a fair deal...that was a pure rip-off!!!!!
thats the kitcar market...but thats exactly how such dealers like totalheadturners make their money. (the above mentioned car was not sold by total-super-turners)
even you can often read "a car is worth someone is willing to pay" no!!!
a car is worth a certain market price within a certain range...not more , not less.
the poor presentation of the cars from totalheadt. is also not acceptable:
none of the cars are shown with clear,detailed, comprehensive, non-blured pictures. that would be at least a minimum of customer service when a dealer already have overpriced most cars by at least 50-100%.
sooner or later such dealers will get their return from the market!!!
the good thing within this mclaren derivate is: as it has a 1993 registration, nobody within the EU, outside UK, will be interested due to emissions...so the dealer has only UK as a "real" market. Good Luck!!!!
Totalhead is offering a US Retrostyle replica from Zimmer Motorcars for 36000pound...in US a much better car was recently sold for 29000,-US$ (18.000pound)....should i say more???
the ebay link to this lamborghini replica was interesting...but an asthmatic ford V6....anyway the price was 6500, whereas total-price-turners sell a simlar (roadworthy and registered) for 30k!!!!
[
the wife was pissed off that her husband bought a car far too highly priced...and i think they had a veeeery "nice" day togehter!!!that wasnt a fair deal...that was a pure rip-off!!!!!
thats the kitcar market...but thats exactly how such dealers like totalheadturners make their money. (the above mentioned car was not sold by total-super-turners)
even you can often read "a car is worth someone is willing to pay" no!!!
a car is worth a certain market price within a certain range...not more , not less.
the poor presentation of the cars from totalheadt. is also not acceptable:
none of the cars are shown with clear,detailed, comprehensive, non-blured pictures. that would be at least a minimum of customer service when a dealer already have overpriced most cars by at least 50-100%.
sooner or later such dealers will get their return from the market!!!
the good thing within this mclaren derivate is: as it has a 1993 registration, nobody within the EU, outside UK, will be interested due to emissions...so the dealer has only UK as a "real" market. Good Luck!!!!
Totalhead is offering a US Retrostyle replica from Zimmer Motorcars for 36000pound...in US a much better car was recently sold for 29000,-US$ (18.000pound)....should i say more???
the ebay link to this lamborghini replica was interesting...but an asthmatic ford V6....anyway the price was 6500, whereas total-price-turners sell a simlar (roadworthy and registered) for 30k!!!!
[
Edited by Comadis on Sunday 6th November 00:26
The Hawk Stratos that's for sale at T. Headturners is just under £40k:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3360773.htm
There's another private sale for an Alfa engined Hawk Stratos here:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3279350.htm
I know of a similarly specced car that has recently sold for just under £25k.
The new kit prices for these are so much more today than they were back in the late 80s and early 90s.
Having said that, £40k would appear to be a good £10k more than you're likely to get in a private sale.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3360773.htm
There's another private sale for an Alfa engined Hawk Stratos here:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3279350.htm
I know of a similarly specced car that has recently sold for just under £25k.
The new kit prices for these are so much more today than they were back in the late 80s and early 90s.
Having said that, £40k would appear to be a good £10k more than you're likely to get in a private sale.
Arthur, I think we always advertise a car for a little more than you expect to get paid for it, but I would never advertise a car for more than £1,000 over what i'd like. It's a bit pointless to me, as you alienate most of the people who would possibly buy it for a realistic price. Dealers a little different, but even so reading between the lines i'd assume they would want at least £27,500 for that car. I am curious to how it sold "several times" and each time the buyer backed out. I can only assume they got blinded by the car itself and the sales pitch, paid a deposit then researched the true market value away from the dealer. I think thay are waiting for "the one" to come strolling in at that price...
£30k would get you an R300 Caterham AND a useable 964 911 in todays market. Is the McLaren THAT good??
£30k would get you an R300 Caterham AND a useable 964 911 in todays market. Is the McLaren THAT good??
I'm not saying for one minute I think it's that good, Lee, all I'm saying is that adamantly saying that a car's price is 'too high' is a strange thing to say.
"I wouldn't pay that for it.", would be more accurate. After all, you name me a car who's value is set by ANYTHING other than what people will pay!!
If you advertise a car higher than another and it sells, then that's it's value...isn't it??
"I wouldn't pay that for it.", would be more accurate. After all, you name me a car who's value is set by ANYTHING other than what people will pay!!
If you advertise a car higher than another and it sells, then that's it's value...isn't it??
Gassing Station | Kit Cars | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff