3-wheeler, like JZR, registered as Motorbike (e.g. Honda)
Discussion
3-wheeler kits, like JZR´s, which are using a motorbike engine from Honda or Moto-Guzzi should be registered (from the legal pont of view) as a JZR and not as Honda or Guzzi?
in terms of registration-laws those 3-wheelers are treated as any other kitcar i guess?
i ask because i was offered a nice JZR but still registered as Honda.
in terms of registration-laws those 3-wheelers are treated as any other kitcar i guess?
i ask because i was offered a nice JZR but still registered as Honda.
Has it got MSVA (Motorcycle SVA)? If not then it will need to go through the process, as it is not correctly registered.
If it has MSVA, then it could be the case (not unheard of) that DVLA have been informed, and haven't changed the V5. This should be a simpler process if the case (but you never know with DVLA!)
I think it should be JZR and tricycle on the V5.
I did hear of one that came back from DVLA as JZR - Three wheeler earth moving vehicle
bit of an error by DVLA I thnk
If it has MSVA, then it could be the case (not unheard of) that DVLA have been informed, and haven't changed the V5. This should be a simpler process if the case (but you never know with DVLA!)
I think it should be JZR and tricycle on the V5.
I did hear of one that came back from DVLA as JZR - Three wheeler earth moving vehicle
bit of an error by DVLA I thnki dont think that the car has ever passed any SVA or IVA test, JZR was founded in 1988, which would be some years b4 SVA..but i dont know when the kit was built. the reg.date is 1981 what i understand is: even a kit registered in the "old" times would need its V5 updated during a certain period to make it "legal" in terms of the new laws.
had contact with the seller: he thought the car was built in 1981. he was not aware that JZR was founded end of the 80ies, he also thought that it is correct and normal that such a trike is titeled as Honda. (thats what he said ....)
so i´ll better keep my fingers away, as the trike is, unfortunately, not correctly registered.
its a very nice example and well built. but for the price asked the documents should need to be spot-on too.
it can be found at fleebay, by the way.
had contact with the seller: he thought the car was built in 1981. he was not aware that JZR was founded end of the 80ies, he also thought that it is correct and normal that such a trike is titeled as Honda. (thats what he said ....)
so i´ll better keep my fingers away, as the trike is, unfortunately, not correctly registered.
its a very nice example and well built. but for the price asked the documents should need to be spot-on too.
it can be found at fleebay, by the way.
Edited by Comadis on Saturday 26th January 16:45
Comadis said:
i dont think that the car has ever passed any SVA or IVA test, JZR was founded in 1988, which would be some years b4 SVA..but i dont know when the kit was built. what i understand is: even a kit registered in the "old" times would need its V5 updated during a certain period to make it "legal" in terms of the new lwas.
by the way: its this very nice JZR:
Looks nice - but IMHO rather pricey, and if it isn't legal then certainly would need very careful consideration. JZR's are still in production, it needs to have been correctly registered whether pre SVA times, or with an SVA since then. You could still attempt to get it through SVA (It may need mods to pass), but whatever you do it could come back and bite you at some time if not correctly registered. At worse DVLA could force it off the road without the SVA. by the way: its this very nice JZR:
Edited by Comadis on Saturday 26th January 14:34
Edited by Fastpedeller on Saturday 26th January 17:51
Isonblade said:
To be fair to the seller if it says 3 wheel trike on the V5 it could well be perfectly legal particulary if built pre SVA.
I agree. DVLA are not known for consistancy so this may just be the way the clerk decided to enter it into the V5c.If the bike(trike) suits you then go for it.
Steve
If it was done in the 80's then it could well be genuine. My friend built a Challenger E-type in 1988,and his mate built a Cobra at the same time. I distincly remember the DVLA inspector coming to his garage premis to check them over ( I was only 15 then, his garage used to sponsor me racing mini's ). They passed, and when they got their new log books through the Challenger had " Jaguar E-type" and the Cobra rep had "Cobra" on the logbooks!!!
My advice re: the JZR would be check if it has definately got " 3 wheel trike" on the logbook and that the history file proves 100% it has been taxed and MOT'd in the past. And most importantly CHECK FIRST with your insurance company that they do not have a problem with it's title on the logbook, be honest with them and if they are fine providing it has been used in the past go for it.
My advice re: the JZR would be check if it has definately got " 3 wheel trike" on the logbook and that the history file proves 100% it has been taxed and MOT'd in the past. And most importantly CHECK FIRST with your insurance company that they do not have a problem with it's title on the logbook, be honest with them and if they are fine providing it has been used in the past go for it.
i can half agree:
lots of kitcars built in the 80ies or before, often have been titeled like "escort convertible" (for a seven type car like westfield or sylva), honda 3-wheeler trike for such a JZR.
but there was an amnesty period for such kitcars where the V5c needed to be updated to the correct kit manufacturer. this period was in the 90ies, as i rememebr, i guess around the date where SVA came into force.
everybody who missed that period can still try with the dvla to update the v5c.
if enough prove of the kit being a kit since e.g. 1988 can be provided the dvla will update the V5c with the correct make, keeping the old reg.-date.
but leaving the V5c as it is, "officially" such a kit is considered as in-correct registrated.
lots of kitcars built in the 80ies or before, often have been titeled like "escort convertible" (for a seven type car like westfield or sylva), honda 3-wheeler trike for such a JZR.
but there was an amnesty period for such kitcars where the V5c needed to be updated to the correct kit manufacturer. this period was in the 90ies, as i rememebr, i guess around the date where SVA came into force.
everybody who missed that period can still try with the dvla to update the v5c.
if enough prove of the kit being a kit since e.g. 1988 can be provided the dvla will update the V5c with the correct make, keeping the old reg.-date.
but leaving the V5c as it is, "officially" such a kit is considered as in-correct registrated.
Edited by Comadis on Sunday 27th January 11:14
Fully agree with all the above - It would appear to be ok. It would indeed appear that DVLA have just kept the Honda description, but are aware of the change. You could try asking DVLA, but knowing how they are they'll probably dodge the issue and not give a straight answer. I had a similar one a few years ago when I bought a Rickman Ranger, which was Make Ford, Model Rickman on the V5. The vendor had all the paperwork including a letter stating they had inspected it, it was also on a 'private' plate, again it had paperwork stating Ford Rickman for that. I phoned DVLA whilst at the vendors and they wouldn't commit. As it was only £450 I took the chance, but I didn't discuss it again with DVLA. If it subsequently became a problem I considered I had enough paperwork to have a good case, but I was always a bit unsure about it. Bizarrely when I decided to sell it 3 years later, someone bought it to turn it back into an Escort, so being called a Ford was probably ok for him.
Ford Rickman, Ford Westfield or Honda JZR would be at least a good start as such a wording clearly indicates what the car is or should be.
so i tink such a V5c would even be correct under the new laws, compared to Escort convertible or Honda Trike.
anyway....i will not take that JZR, as long as the V5c hasnt been updated from the seller...as he is refusing to do so and insisting that everything is 100% ok with his documents i will keep my fingers off and leave it to somebody else.
so i tink such a V5c would even be correct under the new laws, compared to Escort convertible or Honda Trike.
anyway....i will not take that JZR, as long as the V5c hasnt been updated from the seller...as he is refusing to do so and insisting that everything is 100% ok with his documents i will keep my fingers off and leave it to somebody else.
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