JZR - Morgan replica...
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Hi, Bit of a long shot this... Does anybody know this car?
I'd love to make contact with the owner/builder as I'm interested in how he solved the drive problems using that engine, I have a long term project that may need a similar solution.
I know nowt about it as it is just a pic' I found on the 'net but it appears to be in the U.K.
It's a Harley Shovelhead engine in what appears to be a JZR - a beautiful job.
I'd love to make contact with the owner/builder as I'm interested in how he solved the drive problems using that engine, I have a long term project that may need a similar solution.
I know nowt about it as it is just a pic' I found on the 'net but it appears to be in the U.K.
It's a Harley Shovelhead engine in what appears to be a JZR - a beautiful job.
Definitely a Shovel (1200cc or 1340cc), didn't know that J.A.P. still existed... thanks, I'll look into that.
As for the Morgan badge, well, the detail on it is amazing. I found some more pic's and it really does look convincing, even down to advance/retard and choke levers mounted on the steering wheel and old chronometric instruments...
As for the Morgan badge, well, the detail on it is amazing. I found some more pic's and it really does look convincing, even down to advance/retard and choke levers mounted on the steering wheel and old chronometric instruments...
Edited by spoodler on Friday 1st February 12:48
oh yes, definitely a shovel head Harley motor.
Found this info for you:
http://www.hydraulicinnovations.com/forum/showthre...
Lovely car
Found this info for you:
http://www.hydraulicinnovations.com/forum/showthre...
Lovely car
Bassmangler said:
link
According to this article, the three wheeler that JAP themselves build uses a Ford Type 9 gearbox, so they may be able to assist with a suitable bellhousing, if you chose to go down the JAP route?
Jap dont actually make the car, it's built by Planet Engineering. J.A.P just make the engines and supply them According to this article, the three wheeler that JAP themselves build uses a Ford Type 9 gearbox, so they may be able to assist with a suitable bellhousing, if you chose to go down the JAP route?
Thanks Slomax - just had a quick glance at that, fascinating, not quite what I'm after but interesting to see that there are apparently a few Harley JZRs out there.
I'm on the verge of selling my Spitfire/Vincent Hurricane after having owned it for the best part of a decade. I really fancy a Morgan style three wheeler. After looking in vain for years for a Triking at the right price I've been considering building from scratch or using a JZR as a base. Trouble is I'm also into 'bikes and have experience with both Guzzi and CX500 engines and am not keen on either, hence the idea of using a Harley engine as I love Harleys. I've looked at the way Morgan are using it but trying to find a cheap way that is "do-able" in my garage...
Do like the moody black and white shot of your Lomax by the way...
I'm on the verge of selling my Spitfire/Vincent Hurricane after having owned it for the best part of a decade. I really fancy a Morgan style three wheeler. After looking in vain for years for a Triking at the right price I've been considering building from scratch or using a JZR as a base. Trouble is I'm also into 'bikes and have experience with both Guzzi and CX500 engines and am not keen on either, hence the idea of using a Harley engine as I love Harleys. I've looked at the way Morgan are using it but trying to find a cheap way that is "do-able" in my garage...
Do like the moody black and white shot of your Lomax by the way...
Thanks
One thing i will say is go and sit in a few.
Early JZRs are tiny- i cant get anywhere near them (and its not just my leg length either- the width at the hips is very small). I have been told that newer JZRs are slightly wider. Using the CX engine, the shaft comes out more to the right (from the back), which means the transmission tunnel isn't central, resulting in a narrower drivers seat and slightly wider passenger seat. I am unsure if the same is true of Guzzi engined variants.
Trikings are nice, and a little larger, but they are still pretty small. The Buckland is a nice vehicle and these again are a little larger than the Triking. These use a 1300 ford engine though, it depends how much you want to utilise a Harley motor.
If you have looked at the new Morgan it looks like a small vehicle, but my Lomax (one of the larger three wheelers) is dwarfed by it, it really is a big vehicle, and would make a JZR look tiny, yet you get about the same room inside as the Buckland B3.
The main advantage with the Lomax though is the massive amount of interior space due to the flat floor and no centre console or transmission tunnel.
Before you do anything i would recommend going to Stoneliegh Kit car show in May. I presume PSS will be there with the new Buckland B3 and triking are always there too. There is always a good number of JZR owners too. plus about 20-30 on the CSC stand with a good helping of Lomii and Pembletons.
One thing i will say is go and sit in a few.
Early JZRs are tiny- i cant get anywhere near them (and its not just my leg length either- the width at the hips is very small). I have been told that newer JZRs are slightly wider. Using the CX engine, the shaft comes out more to the right (from the back), which means the transmission tunnel isn't central, resulting in a narrower drivers seat and slightly wider passenger seat. I am unsure if the same is true of Guzzi engined variants.
Trikings are nice, and a little larger, but they are still pretty small. The Buckland is a nice vehicle and these again are a little larger than the Triking. These use a 1300 ford engine though, it depends how much you want to utilise a Harley motor.
If you have looked at the new Morgan it looks like a small vehicle, but my Lomax (one of the larger three wheelers) is dwarfed by it, it really is a big vehicle, and would make a JZR look tiny, yet you get about the same room inside as the Buckland B3.
The main advantage with the Lomax though is the massive amount of interior space due to the flat floor and no centre console or transmission tunnel.
Before you do anything i would recommend going to Stoneliegh Kit car show in May. I presume PSS will be there with the new Buckland B3 and triking are always there too. There is always a good number of JZR owners too. plus about 20-30 on the CSC stand with a good helping of Lomii and Pembletons.
I was surprised at how big (and heavy!) the new Morgan has turned out, having said that it has a substantial chassis and some degree of side impact protection etc... and anyway it's not in my price range!
There was a really nice CX500 JZR at the Romsey meet on Boxing Day, it might be tiny but it has lovely proportions - not something that you can say about all the three wheelers. The small size isn't really an issue for me as it will be just for fun - after the Hurricane and the other half's Herald have sold we will be buying a cheap MX5 so as to still have a "practical" roadster for holidays etc.
I haven't written off the Lomax, I've had several 2CV based cars and have thoroughly enjoyed them all - just fancy having that exposed vee twin hanging out the front.
Wish I'd bought the Morgan Supersport I was offered many moons ago...
There was a really nice CX500 JZR at the Romsey meet on Boxing Day, it might be tiny but it has lovely proportions - not something that you can say about all the three wheelers. The small size isn't really an issue for me as it will be just for fun - after the Hurricane and the other half's Herald have sold we will be buying a cheap MX5 so as to still have a "practical" roadster for holidays etc.
I haven't written off the Lomax, I've had several 2CV based cars and have thoroughly enjoyed them all - just fancy having that exposed vee twin hanging out the front.
Wish I'd bought the Morgan Supersport I was offered many moons ago...
you can bolt a guzzi or BMW boxer engine to a 2cv Box, like many do with Pembletons.
Someone in the CSC is currently building a new car. It will be having a GS1200 motor with a modified Audi A4 gearbox. Certainly an interesting choice and i have seen his designs and they certainly look good! we will have to see how it turns out!
If you are looking at a JZR it might be worth having a word with Mike Abbas. they Restore, rebuild and build JZRs and always have one or two in stock. They have certainly done a lot of Guzzi and CX engined ones, not sure about Harley, although it might be worth a call.
There is currently a JZR for sale with a Pan America V4 for sale
To show the line of the transmission tunnel through the cockpit...
Someone in the CSC is currently building a new car. It will be having a GS1200 motor with a modified Audi A4 gearbox. Certainly an interesting choice and i have seen his designs and they certainly look good! we will have to see how it turns out!
If you are looking at a JZR it might be worth having a word with Mike Abbas. they Restore, rebuild and build JZRs and always have one or two in stock. They have certainly done a lot of Guzzi and CX engined ones, not sure about Harley, although it might be worth a call.
There is currently a JZR for sale with a Pan America V4 for sale
To show the line of the transmission tunnel through the cockpit...
Edited by slomax on Friday 1st February 14:55
spoodler said:
Hi, Bit of a long shot this... Does anybody know this car?
I'd love to make contact with the owner/builder as I'm interested in how he solved the drive problems using that engine, I have a long term project that may need a similar solution.
I know nowt about it as it is just a pic' I found on the 'net but it appears to be in the U.K.
It's a Harley Shovelhead engine in what appears to be a JZR - a beautiful job.
I believe these two JZR look very similar and both have a Shovelhead, just look at the pictures:I'd love to make contact with the owner/builder as I'm interested in how he solved the drive problems using that engine, I have a long term project that may need a similar solution.
I know nowt about it as it is just a pic' I found on the 'net but it appears to be in the U.K.
It's a Harley Shovelhead engine in what appears to be a JZR - a beautiful job.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JZR_owners/photos/al...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JZR_owners/photos/al...
Maybe you need to become a member of the Yahoo Jzr group.
For more info on JZR's:
http://www.freewebs.com/jzrusa/
But here is the link to a JZR Shovelhead:
http://jzr-holland.webklik.nl/page/homepage
I hope it helps...
Italo
Edited by fuoriserie on Friday 1st February 19:22
It might be worth you looking at the latest issue of tkc mag, they have just done a 3-wheeler test.
www.totalkitcar.com
www.totalkitcar.com
dom9 said:
Has anyone got a picture of the bellhousing attaching the car gearbox to the motorbike engine?
I feel a big V-twin to transaxle, mid-engine project coming on!
Thanks,
Dom
Dont overlook cooling!I feel a big V-twin to transaxle, mid-engine project coming on!
Thanks,
Dom
In a car its hauling around considerably more weight, a big air cooled VTwin works when exposed at the front of the car, but enclosed in a mid engine configuration is definitely going to be a challenge getting enough airflow etc!
slomax said:
Dont overlook cooling!
In a car its hauling around considerably more weight, a big air cooled VTwin works when exposed at the front of the car, but enclosed in a mid engine configuration is definitely going to be a challenge getting enough airflow etc!
Are there any bike engines that are watercooled, don't have an integral gearbox and can be hooked up to a car 'box?In a car its hauling around considerably more weight, a big air cooled VTwin works when exposed at the front of the car, but enclosed in a mid engine configuration is definitely going to be a challenge getting enough airflow etc!
dom9 said:
Are there any bike engines that are watercooled, don't have an integral gearbox and can be hooked up to a car 'box?
why the car gearbox?surely if its in a Mid engine config then you could use the integral gearbox and swing arm, if for a 3 wheeler (like the grinnall or tR1ke). if for a 4 wheeler you could run it straight to a belt, gear or chain driven diff. It would certainly reduce weight, cost and time....
Simply, overall length...
If a V-twin is fairly flat to the bulkhead, the output shafts from the transaxle aren't far back.
Using it inline with a car diff on the end of the bike box seems to make everything longer.
Using a transverse engine and chain to diff is longer. It's marginal but I've looked into it...
So, any watercooled V-twins withoit an integral 'box on the market?
If a V-twin is fairly flat to the bulkhead, the output shafts from the transaxle aren't far back.
Using it inline with a car diff on the end of the bike box seems to make everything longer.
Using a transverse engine and chain to diff is longer. It's marginal but I've looked into it...
So, any watercooled V-twins withoit an integral 'box on the market?
How about a big Japanese V twin instead of the Harley?
Even the watercooled ones have nice finning and would look the part.
Get one with belt or chain drive; drive a jackshaft with the countershaft that takes power back to a sprocket on the driveshaft to the back wheel.
Add a gear to be driven by a starter motor to get reverse.
Even the watercooled ones have nice finning and would look the part.
Get one with belt or chain drive; drive a jackshaft with the countershaft that takes power back to a sprocket on the driveshaft to the back wheel.
Add a gear to be driven by a starter motor to get reverse.
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