Frontline LE50 MGB - is it a kit car?
Discussion
Reading this weeks Autocar (25th Sept), I find the 'modern MGB' made by Frontline.
I'm into kitcars, so I'm pretty familiar with the IVA requirements in that regard, and have some knowlwdge of how this applies to a rebodied classic (though wouldn't say I'm an expert).
Can anyone explain.......
1. Frontline car has a new Mazda engine "For this LE Plus, though, the engine can be in Euro4 engine managemant spec, despite running without a catalitic converter, because this is nominally a 1968 car" the article states. I understand that if an engine is replaced it has to be to the emission level of the date that the engine is produced, not the base car.
2. Frontline cars "have a seam-welded bodyshell (brand new from BMH) with extra re-inforcing gussets and a heavily re-engineered suspension system". Whilst I can see from an engineering point of view this is likely to be superior to the original, doesn't an IVA change become a requirement as this isn't simple a new bodyshell fitted to the old parts, and it may require a Q reg as it's a mixture of major part of various ages. I don't understand how this can be classed as the original vehicle as so much has changed, and it is essentially a kit car.
Can anyone who is more knowledgeable please explain ( Also posted on MG forum)
I'm into kitcars, so I'm pretty familiar with the IVA requirements in that regard, and have some knowlwdge of how this applies to a rebodied classic (though wouldn't say I'm an expert).
Can anyone explain.......
1. Frontline car has a new Mazda engine "For this LE Plus, though, the engine can be in Euro4 engine managemant spec, despite running without a catalitic converter, because this is nominally a 1968 car" the article states. I understand that if an engine is replaced it has to be to the emission level of the date that the engine is produced, not the base car.
2. Frontline cars "have a seam-welded bodyshell (brand new from BMH) with extra re-inforcing gussets and a heavily re-engineered suspension system". Whilst I can see from an engineering point of view this is likely to be superior to the original, doesn't an IVA change become a requirement as this isn't simple a new bodyshell fitted to the old parts, and it may require a Q reg as it's a mixture of major part of various ages. I don't understand how this can be classed as the original vehicle as so much has changed, and it is essentially a kit car.
Can anyone who is more knowledgeable please explain ( Also posted on MG forum)
Chassis plate engineering. It happens all the time, dog of a "classic" new body etc and transfer then the plate is swapped over.
It happens with kit cars as well, old pinto engined Sumo gets a new everything and your Dax etc is on the road without the trouble of an IVA test. Duttons become a "whatever".
It happens with kit cars as well, old pinto engined Sumo gets a new everything and your Dax etc is on the road without the trouble of an IVA test. Duttons become a "whatever".
Fastpedeller said:
Reading this weeks Autocar (25th Sept), I find the 'modern MGB' made by Frontline.
I'm into kitcars, so I'm pretty familiar with the IVA requirements in that regard, and have some knowlwdge of how this applies to a rebodied classic (though wouldn't say I'm an expert).
Can anyone explain.......
1. Frontline car has a new Mazda engine "For this LE Plus, though, the engine can be in Euro4 engine managemant spec, despite running without a catalitic converter, because this is nominally a 1968 car" the article states. I understand that if an engine is replaced it has to be to the emission level of the date that the engine is produced, not the base car.
2. Frontline cars "have a seam-welded bodyshell (brand new from BMH) with extra re-inforcing gussets and a heavily re-engineered suspension system". Whilst I can see from an engineering point of view this is likely to be superior to the original, doesn't an IVA change become a requirement as this isn't simple a new bodyshell fitted to the old parts, and it may require a Q reg as it's a mixture of major part of various ages. I don't understand how this can be classed as the original vehicle as so much has changed, and it is essentially a kit car.
Can anyone who is more knowledgeable please explain ( Also posted on MG forum)
So, as I suspected it's dodgy? I certainly wouldn't be paying (even if I had it) 50k for a dodgy deal.I'm into kitcars, so I'm pretty familiar with the IVA requirements in that regard, and have some knowlwdge of how this applies to a rebodied classic (though wouldn't say I'm an expert).
Can anyone explain.......
1. Frontline car has a new Mazda engine "For this LE Plus, though, the engine can be in Euro4 engine managemant spec, despite running without a catalitic converter, because this is nominally a 1968 car" the article states. I understand that if an engine is replaced it has to be to the emission level of the date that the engine is produced, not the base car.
2. Frontline cars "have a seam-welded bodyshell (brand new from BMH) with extra re-inforcing gussets and a heavily re-engineered suspension system". Whilst I can see from an engineering point of view this is likely to be superior to the original, doesn't an IVA change become a requirement as this isn't simple a new bodyshell fitted to the old parts, and it may require a Q reg as it's a mixture of major part of various ages. I don't understand how this can be classed as the original vehicle as so much has changed, and it is essentially a kit car.
Can anyone who is more knowledgeable please explain ( Also posted on MG forum)
I'm not sure it's that cut and dried.
Replacement monocoque is within the rules if it's OEM.
Engine swops are allowed.
If the suspension uses the same pick up points then I think that's allowed too.
There may well be some artistic license being used but it's not the same as taking the identity off a Dutton and using it for a new built MK etc.
The MG is really no different to a large percentage of old cars that have been rebuilt and altered over many years. Just another Triggers Broom.
Replacement monocoque is within the rules if it's OEM.
Engine swops are allowed.
If the suspension uses the same pick up points then I think that's allowed too.
There may well be some artistic license being used but it's not the same as taking the identity off a Dutton and using it for a new built MK etc.
The MG is really no different to a large percentage of old cars that have been rebuilt and altered over many years. Just another Triggers Broom.
As has been said it's within the letter of the law as long as they start with an old MG.
The emissions is based on the chassis rather number than the engine, my Fury is emissions free with a 2004 Zetec as it was SVAd & registered with a crossflow & so has "N/A" in the CO2 box on the V5.
For some reason my MoT man insists on checking it as if it's G reg (which the reg plate is) even though the V5 says it was registered in 2009, but it passes so I won't be arguing the toss with him.
The emissions is based on the chassis rather number than the engine, my Fury is emissions free with a 2004 Zetec as it was SVAd & registered with a crossflow & so has "N/A" in the CO2 box on the V5.
For some reason my MoT man insists on checking it as if it's G reg (which the reg plate is) even though the V5 says it was registered in 2009, but it passes so I won't be arguing the toss with him.
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