Newbe asking is still possible to reg car as historic car?

[Leckypete]

Hi,
Am new to kit cars, looking to get a Cobra replica.
Have seen used examples with pre 1973 reg with historic car tax status.

Is it still possible to build a new car using a pre 1973 donor with log book and still get it as historic road tax exempt?

Thanks.

[ugg10]

Best have a read of the IVA and registration document from the DVLA.

From the dvla site -

"Keeping a vehicle’s original registration number

You can apply to keep a rebuilt vehicle’s original registration number if you can prove you’ve used:

the original unmodified chassis or bodyshell (car or light van)
a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original (car or light van)
an unmodified frame, either original or new (motorbike)

You must have a registration document or other written evidence linking the registration number to the vehicle.

You also have to have 2 other major components from the original vehicle from the following lists.

For cars or light vans this includes:

suspension (front and back)
steering assembly
axles (both)
transmission
engine"

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/kit-cars-a...

Hope this helps.

[Furyblade_Lee]

I am not sure, but I did hear once that you still have to pay road tax on a kit built from a tax-exempt donor?

[Compo_Simmonite]

Furyblade_Lee said:

I am not sure, but I did hear once that you still have to pay road tax on a kit built from a tax-exempt donor?

This is what I was led to believe as well when I enquired about using my 1972 Austin Sprite as a basis for a special - basically using all mechanicals and centre of body / cockpit area on a new custom made chassis. I was also told I'd loose the "personalised plate" unless I transferred it to another vehicle as at the best I would get another age related number allocated.

Paul H

[Dave Brookes]

Pete.
over the years the rules regarding this have changed, and even then the DVLA have made mistakes in the registration process.

Currently there are no Cobra kits on offer the use of enough donor parts to allow the car to retain a tax free status.
If the donor is old enough to qualify this is lost once the car is converted to a Cobra replica, and although you could get issued with an age related registration number it will not qualify as a historic vehicle.

If it's road tax you are looking at saving on then there is a plus.
As kit cars do not have Grammes of carbon per kilometre figures on the V5C they are treated as vehicles registered before 2001. This only has two categories:- above or below 1500cc.
So your 5.7 Litre monster will pay the same road tax as a 1600cc car

[smokey mow]

Leckypete said:

Hi,
Am new to kit cars, looking to get a Cobra replica.
Have seen used examples with pre 1973 reg with historic car tax status.

Is it still possible to build a new car using a pre 1973 donor with log book and still get it as historic road tax exempt?

Thanks.

Regardless of the age of donor used, your date of first registration of the Cobra will be 2014. It is unfortunately this date which would be relevant to eligibility for historic road tax not the age of the donor parts used to build it.

[Rich K]

I built this NCF (I know its not a Cobra :-))and retailed the original plate also got it registered as an NCF Outback on the V5





I need to score 8 points to keep the registration

5 points Unmodified chassis
2 points Back and front suspension (new or original)
2 points Back and front axles (new or original)
2 points Transmission (original)
2 points Steering assembly (incl rack and column) (new or original)
1 points Engine (original)

I'm contemplating the build of a Ribble Pilot based upon an Herald or Vitesse

see here it suggests classic car status will remain.
doesn't mention the cost if any of the rfl.

more questions to ask when I visit the factory in the next few weeks

[smokey mow]

Rich K said:

I built this NCF (I know its not a Cobra :-))and retailed the original plate also got it registered as an NCF Outback on the V5


I need to score 8 points to keep the registration

5 points Unmodified chassis
2 points Back and front suspension (new or original)
2 points Back and front axles (new or original)
2 points Transmission (original)
2 points Steering assembly (incl rack and column) (new or original)
1 points Engine (original)

I'm contemplating the build of a Ribble Pilot based upon an Herald or Vitesse

see here it suggests classic car status will remain.
doesn't mention the cost if any of the rfl.

more questions to ask when I visit the factory in the next few weeks

The Outback and Ribble Pilot etc are considered differently to the Cobras and Sevens etc as they are merely a body conversion onto an existing (unmodified)chassis with only a change in body/identity. This style of kit car would typically also not require an IVA test.

In the case of the sevens and cobras etc these are a new vehicle assembled from parts "some of which may not be new", will need to undergo an IVA and then registration with the DVLA in the same manner as a new car. The original identity of any donor vehicle used in their construction is lost as part of the registration process.

[Rich K]

smokey mow said:

The Outback and Ribble Pilot etc are considered differently to the Cobras and Sevens etc as they are merely a body conversion onto an existing (unmodified)chassis with only a change in body/identity. This style of kit car would typically also not require an IVA test.

That is my understanding too, hence my interest in rebodying,

I'll say it quietly it still surprises me that they are exempt from the IVA though

but long may it continue

[Fastpedeller]

Rich K said:

I built this NCF (I know its not a Cobra :-))and retailed the original plate also got it registered as an NCF Outback on the V5





I need to score 8 points to keep the registration

5 points Unmodified chassis
2 points Back and front suspension (new or original)
2 points Back and front axles (new or original)
2 points Transmission (original)
2 points Steering assembly (incl rack and column) (new or original)
1 points Engine (original)

I'm contemplating the build of a Ribble Pilot based upon an Herald or Vitesse

see here it suggests classic car status will remain.
doesn't mention the cost if any of the rfl.

more questions to ask when I visit the factory in the next few weeks

I really like that (I've not seen one before) rather reminds me of the Dakar. What donor?

[Rich K]

Fastpedeller said:

I really like that (I've not seen one before) rather reminds me of the Dakar. What donor?

Its a Vitara

have a look here build video
it goes on a bit but good for reference

and here NCF Website

Its really good fun

giving it a wash this afternoon



luckily it also has full roof and doors

Edited by Rich K on Tuesday 7th January 14:26