Discussion
Have nearly decided on the car, either Westie, Tiger or MK, it depends on the amount of insurance payout i get for the written of motorbike. I am learning more and more about the kit car market and the different type of 7 cars available but there are so many engines too.
Basically i want to go fast quickly but in a budget and with it to be easy to maintain. I have heard of the following:
1600 Xflow
1700 xflow
1800 xflow
1.8 Zetec
2.0 Zetec
2.0 Pinto
2.1 Pinto
Duratec
and the Vauxhall 2.0
Are the xflows any good?
Is the 2.0 pinot better than a 1.8 Zetec?
What are the advantages of them and the disadvantages?
What have you got and WHy?
What would you choose.
Cheers
D
Basically i want to go fast quickly but in a budget and with it to be easy to maintain. I have heard of the following:
1600 Xflow
1700 xflow
1800 xflow
1.8 Zetec
2.0 Zetec
2.0 Pinto
2.1 Pinto
Duratec
and the Vauxhall 2.0
Are the xflows any good?
Is the 2.0 pinot better than a 1.8 Zetec?
What are the advantages of them and the disadvantages?
What have you got and WHy?
What would you choose.
Cheers
D
some helpful links:
Pinto: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pin
Zetec: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zetec-SE
Duratec: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Dur
nothing on the X-Flow other than it's a derivative of the Pinto with DOHC.
Probably best to ask here though about Westie's http://boardroom.wscc.co.uk/cgi-bin/i
Pinto: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pin
Zetec: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zetec-SE
Duratec: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Dur
nothing on the X-Flow other than it's a derivative of the Pinto with DOHC.
Probably best to ask here though about Westie's http://boardroom.wscc.co.uk/cgi-bin/i
Damiencbr said:
Is the 2.0 pinot better than a 1.8 Zetec?
Nigh on identical I'd say. I used to have an 1800 Zetec in my Tiger and fellow PHer and SWTOCer Moose has a 2lt Pinto in his. On track days at Hullavington and Castle Combe our cars were virtually inseperable, with neither able to either overtake or pull away. However, when I went to a 2lt Zetec it was no contest.
Actually the x-Flow is a pushrod engine which came before the Pinto, the Pinto being single OHC.
A X-Flows is lighter than Pinto and very tunable, they have been used in motorsport since Moses was a boy, the Ppinto is a heavy lump but good strong power and loads of torques.
Availablity of a x-Flow these days could be a problem though and more modern engines are readily available.
I use a Rover K Series, nice and light, likes revs and there are tuning bits available.
I don't think any of the engines mentioned, apart from maybe the Duratec, would be too expensive to come by.
What happened to the engine out of the written off bike ??
A X-Flows is lighter than Pinto and very tunable, they have been used in motorsport since Moses was a boy, the Ppinto is a heavy lump but good strong power and loads of torques.
Availablity of a x-Flow these days could be a problem though and more modern engines are readily available.
I use a Rover K Series, nice and light, likes revs and there are tuning bits available.
I don't think any of the engines mentioned, apart from maybe the Duratec, would be too expensive to come by.
What happened to the engine out of the written off bike ??
docevi1 said:
nothing on the X-Flow other than it's a derivative of the Pinto with DOHC.
Corpulent Tosser said:
Actually the x-Flow is a pushrod engine which came before the Pinto, the Pinto being single OHC.
The X-Flow was called Kent and had a number of derivatives:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Ken
Hugh
The cross flow/BDA engines originate from the Mk1 escort/cortina or 105E Anglia. These pushrod engines were very strong and most parts were readily available in steel producing over 250bhp when coupled with twin 45webbers, they were used in rallying and short circuit hotrods, but not appropiate for on road use due to the heavy and lumpy tickover.
The Pinto is one of the most common engines with the 205 block form the sierra 2.0injection a favourite among engine builders, the wall thickness of the bore was thick and enabled 2.8 cologne pistons to be fitted as a straight power modification. the cosworth block although a rarity had the head bolted all the way down to the bigend mains, this gave tremendous torsion strength and therefore could accommodate even more power- up around the 400bhp is not unheard of.
The new breed is the Zetec, and the vauxhall 2.0twincam, they are very tunable engines and mostly reliable at relatively high horsepower due to engine refinements by the manufacturer to improve engine efficiency, injection systems can be remapped fairly easily for instant gains.
Duratec is the next stage for the ford power plant, this variable valve unit is again a very reliable engine with even more potential with ECU chip modifications.
The k series rover engine is a little beauty, all ally and from a car, in most cases worth no more than scrap money. Tuning parts are available ie remapping, cams etc but it has been superseeded by the zetec in popularity for new builds.
Hope this helps, I was looking at building a rear engine replica last year and found the new 3.0ltr duratec to be my best overall choice, it has a proven record in the noble.
Burton power products have great expertise for all the ford engines as well as an extensive range of performance parts at very reasonable prices, give them a call, they're in ilford, essex.
The Pinto is one of the most common engines with the 205 block form the sierra 2.0injection a favourite among engine builders, the wall thickness of the bore was thick and enabled 2.8 cologne pistons to be fitted as a straight power modification. the cosworth block although a rarity had the head bolted all the way down to the bigend mains, this gave tremendous torsion strength and therefore could accommodate even more power- up around the 400bhp is not unheard of.
The new breed is the Zetec, and the vauxhall 2.0twincam, they are very tunable engines and mostly reliable at relatively high horsepower due to engine refinements by the manufacturer to improve engine efficiency, injection systems can be remapped fairly easily for instant gains.
Duratec is the next stage for the ford power plant, this variable valve unit is again a very reliable engine with even more potential with ECU chip modifications.
The k series rover engine is a little beauty, all ally and from a car, in most cases worth no more than scrap money. Tuning parts are available ie remapping, cams etc but it has been superseeded by the zetec in popularity for new builds.
Hope this helps, I was looking at building a rear engine replica last year and found the new 3.0ltr duratec to be my best overall choice, it has a proven record in the noble.
Burton power products have great expertise for all the ford engines as well as an extensive range of performance parts at very reasonable prices, give them a call, they're in ilford, essex.
Edited by dangerrous on Thursday 17th August 13:22
I used to run a 1700 xflow (tuned to approx 130bhp) in my westfield until it was replaced earlier this with a 2.0 ltr Zetec(standard engine 165bhp), the xflow was great, revy, pulled well and made a lovely noise, it was easy to work on and bits were cheap. The zetec coversion although not cheap after you've factored in the cost of an engine management pack, cooling system etc has been well worth it,165bhp std and plenty of tuning stuff available when i can afford it, the car really flies now yet is easy to drive in traffic and gives much better mpg than the crossflow.
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