Stratos Replica
Discussion
I've got a Corse S. Built it from a pile of 3rd or 4th hand bits left over from other peoples failure to finish it...but I'm pretty pleased with the result. It was supposed to be a cheap way to get one(!) but, not surprisingly, it didn't work out that way...hence it took me 6 years to finish it. Quickest build of a Corse I so far is 9 months.
The whole 'which is best' argument is hard to reply to really...but...fundamentally, the Hawk is as accurate a copy as it's reasonably possible to make, the Corse looks VERY similar to an orignal but there are one or two small external differences, but chassis & suspension wise, the Corse I is more modern.
Once you open us the front & rear covers, a Corse looks nothing like the original - it's function over form, whereas it's hard to spot the difference between a Hawk chassis and an original (excepting that the original had a steel tub with pressed steel 'subframes' front and rear and the Hawk, like the Corse has a tube & folded section chassis with fibreglass 'shell' over the top.
Both will cost about the same to get on the road.
Both are capable, but personally I'd say the Corse just has the edge on suspension design, both in S or I form (but then I would say that).
Corse chassis is stiffer by all accounts.
If it matters to you, the Corse has the fuel tank inboard of the chassis - the Hawk replicates the original with the tanks hanging outside the steelwork just in front of the rear wheels.
Engine can be more or less any transverse 4, 6, or 8 pot but typically the Alfa V6 is used. 12V or 24V will fit fine in both.
Interior on the Corse is slightly different to the original, but I fitted a Hawk dash to my car (simply because that was in with the pile of bits - did require some work to fit though).
I'm happy to answer any questions you might have about the cars, Corse particularly, I'll say that the guys at Napiersport are extremely helpful & always friendly. If you want to let me have you'r e-mail addy I can send you some shots of my car at various stages of build if that's any interest.
You'll get a good response here www.stratossupersite.com if you care to wander over....but don't say I sent you! - I threw my toys out the pram with the Stratos Enthusiasts Club won't be back. The forum there is worth a look.
End of the day, I was all fired up for a Hawk many years back, then along came this 'part finished (Hah!) kit of a Corse, the guy running CAE at the time was great so I went for it. Now very, very happy I did.
YMMV E&OE etc etc
HTH
The whole 'which is best' argument is hard to reply to really...but...fundamentally, the Hawk is as accurate a copy as it's reasonably possible to make, the Corse looks VERY similar to an orignal but there are one or two small external differences, but chassis & suspension wise, the Corse I is more modern.
Once you open us the front & rear covers, a Corse looks nothing like the original - it's function over form, whereas it's hard to spot the difference between a Hawk chassis and an original (excepting that the original had a steel tub with pressed steel 'subframes' front and rear and the Hawk, like the Corse has a tube & folded section chassis with fibreglass 'shell' over the top.
Both will cost about the same to get on the road.
Both are capable, but personally I'd say the Corse just has the edge on suspension design, both in S or I form (but then I would say that).
Corse chassis is stiffer by all accounts.
If it matters to you, the Corse has the fuel tank inboard of the chassis - the Hawk replicates the original with the tanks hanging outside the steelwork just in front of the rear wheels.
Engine can be more or less any transverse 4, 6, or 8 pot but typically the Alfa V6 is used. 12V or 24V will fit fine in both.
Interior on the Corse is slightly different to the original, but I fitted a Hawk dash to my car (simply because that was in with the pile of bits - did require some work to fit though).
I'm happy to answer any questions you might have about the cars, Corse particularly, I'll say that the guys at Napiersport are extremely helpful & always friendly. If you want to let me have you'r e-mail addy I can send you some shots of my car at various stages of build if that's any interest.
You'll get a good response here www.stratossupersite.com if you care to wander over....but don't say I sent you! - I threw my toys out the pram with the Stratos Enthusiasts Club won't be back. The forum there is worth a look.
End of the day, I was all fired up for a Hawk many years back, then along came this 'part finished (Hah!) kit of a Corse, the guy running CAE at the time was great so I went for it. Now very, very happy I did.
YMMV E&OE etc etc
HTH
Reuben,
As Chris has already ready said there is loads of info on www.stratossupersite.com including many discussions on the pros/cons of each replica. I think there are a couple of examples down under too, there was one for sale not long ago.
Hopefully this winter I will finally finish the install of Dave B’s (Mr turbo124.com) 16 valve turbo engine in the back of my Stratos replica.
Chris,
I thought I hadn’t seen you posting on the site for a while – shame you had a fall out with the club. Any chance you will be back, as you are a great source of info for fellow builders?
Cheers,
Chris
As Chris has already ready said there is loads of info on www.stratossupersite.com including many discussions on the pros/cons of each replica. I think there are a couple of examples down under too, there was one for sale not long ago.
Hopefully this winter I will finally finish the install of Dave B’s (Mr turbo124.com) 16 valve turbo engine in the back of my Stratos replica.
Chris,
I thought I hadn’t seen you posting on the site for a while – shame you had a fall out with the club. Any chance you will be back, as you are a great source of info for fellow builders?
Cheers,
Chris
I endorse all that Corse Chris says. (We miss you Chris!)
Some get anally retentive about accuracy, and produce concourse cars of a build quality that Lancia never achieved, others use their replicas in various competitive disciplines - racing, rallying, sprints etc.
Mine is a Hawk. Build cost IRO £22k (UKP). The Hawk replicates the suspension geometry exactly, the chassis is stiffer and lighter than the original, and the Alfa 24v is more modern, reliable and powerful than the Ferrari Dino. The car therefore replicates both the performance (and inherent flaws) of the Lancia. Neither kit is a Meccano bolt-together-quickly undertaking like Caterhams etc. There are a lot of design decisions to make and problems to solve.
There are one or two replicas in Australia. Come & chat at the website (see above links).
PS Chris, your tacho was accurate - the chip rev limiter was wrong!
Some get anally retentive about accuracy, and produce concourse cars of a build quality that Lancia never achieved, others use their replicas in various competitive disciplines - racing, rallying, sprints etc.
Mine is a Hawk. Build cost IRO £22k (UKP). The Hawk replicates the suspension geometry exactly, the chassis is stiffer and lighter than the original, and the Alfa 24v is more modern, reliable and powerful than the Ferrari Dino. The car therefore replicates both the performance (and inherent flaws) of the Lancia. Neither kit is a Meccano bolt-together-quickly undertaking like Caterhams etc. There are a lot of design decisions to make and problems to solve.
There are one or two replicas in Australia. Come & chat at the website (see above links).
PS Chris, your tacho was accurate - the chip rev limiter was wrong!
Edited by jimmystratos on Monday 18th September 23:17
Thanks for all the info guys. I'll get on over to the Stratos site and suss out a few more details. BTW ChrisEvo2, I am a regular visitor on Turbo124.com and I have heard Dave's old motor was headed your way. His 124 is the source of much inspiration for my 124 project, although I'm going to go supercharged, not turboed, for my own reasons. How is it coming along? I didn't realise there was as much difference between the kits as there is. I want a visually accurate replica for club rallying basically. I didn't realise the Corse differed so greatly from the original, or the Hawk. I was more wasking about differences in quality, but you learn something every day. Thanks again guys.
Reuben
Reuben
Reuben,
The Corse certainly used to be available in round arch Gp 4 form. My car has them. The method used to change the arch was to replace the entire side of the rear body section rather than graft bits on. I understand the Hawk rear section for Gp 4 style is moulded as one but I'm sure someone who owns one can confirm this for you.
I see from that you are interested in rallying in the car. There is a chap who will hopefully respond on the Strat forum who has been campaigning a Corse S in clubmans type events for over 10 years. I could be wrong, but I think the main competitive use of Hawks tends to be more circuit biased.
One significant (perhaps) difference between the two is the way in which the fibreglass panels are 'finished' In the spirit of originality, the Hawk panels have no return edges on them and are quite light. The Corse panels are perhaps a little heavier and have return lips moulded into them.
The Corse certainly used to be available in round arch Gp 4 form. My car has them. The method used to change the arch was to replace the entire side of the rear body section rather than graft bits on. I understand the Hawk rear section for Gp 4 style is moulded as one but I'm sure someone who owns one can confirm this for you.
I see from that you are interested in rallying in the car. There is a chap who will hopefully respond on the Strat forum who has been campaigning a Corse S in clubmans type events for over 10 years. I could be wrong, but I think the main competitive use of Hawks tends to be more circuit biased.
One significant (perhaps) difference between the two is the way in which the fibreglass panels are 'finished' In the spirit of originality, the Hawk panels have no return edges on them and are quite light. The Corse panels are perhaps a little heavier and have return lips moulded into them.
Interesting. Thanks again Chris, full of useful info. I have heard that Hawk panels can be used as replacements for originals so i guess that ties in with what you are saying. I guess it's a case of when the time and money are right, I'll see whats available. Is it a strength issue that see's the Hawks tend towards circit stuff, or is it just a coincidence?
Sorry for the delay Reuben, been on leave.
Err, don't know to be honest...but there is one chap on the strat forum (MartinK) who used to rally his Hawk..until he had an off. If he hasn't already commented, you might care to send him a PM via the strat forum and ask his opinions. It seems to me that he knows an awful lot about cars in competition (he's certainly helped me a great deal in dialling in my suspension setup to suit my tastes) and I'd greatly value his input......
The chap I mentioned who rallied his Corse for 10 years or more had a few pretty big incidents over the years and the worst damage was bent wishbones and a bit of front section damage (the small gauge square tubes the the rad & nose hang off - non-critical crush elements in fact).
Depending on setup, kerb-riding can put some pretty massive forces into a car anyway of course, so saying circuit use is easy on a car compared to rallying could be misleading.
Best of luck, whichever way you chose to go.
Cheers
Err, don't know to be honest...but there is one chap on the strat forum (MartinK) who used to rally his Hawk..until he had an off. If he hasn't already commented, you might care to send him a PM via the strat forum and ask his opinions. It seems to me that he knows an awful lot about cars in competition (he's certainly helped me a great deal in dialling in my suspension setup to suit my tastes) and I'd greatly value his input......
The chap I mentioned who rallied his Corse for 10 years or more had a few pretty big incidents over the years and the worst damage was bent wishbones and a bit of front section damage (the small gauge square tubes the the rad & nose hang off - non-critical crush elements in fact).
Depending on setup, kerb-riding can put some pretty massive forces into a car anyway of course, so saying circuit use is easy on a car compared to rallying could be misleading.
Best of luck, whichever way you chose to go.
Cheers
Hello again folks.
This is mostly addressed to the 'character' that mis-quoted/quoted out of context/snipped some comments I made here, but it's probably worth saying anyway.
A replica of a Stratos isn't going to 'fool' anyone into thinking it's a genuine car. When I say 'looks a lot like' I mean just that - looks like. I don't mean 'exactly the same as'. 'Hard to spot the difference' was qualified too.
I did qualify what I said but this was removed from the quotes, thus changing their meaning.
So, Tryphon, Stratos or whatever screen name you choose, please have the decency to quote me in entirety, you arse!
To the normal human beings out there, I suspect my meaning got through loud and clear.
This is mostly addressed to the 'character' that mis-quoted/quoted out of context/snipped some comments I made here, but it's probably worth saying anyway.
A replica of a Stratos isn't going to 'fool' anyone into thinking it's a genuine car. When I say 'looks a lot like' I mean just that - looks like. I don't mean 'exactly the same as'. 'Hard to spot the difference' was qualified too.
I did qualify what I said but this was removed from the quotes, thus changing their meaning.
So, Tryphon, Stratos or whatever screen name you choose, please have the decency to quote me in entirety, you arse!
To the normal human beings out there, I suspect my meaning got through loud and clear.
CorseChris said:
This is mostly addressed to the 'character' that mis-quoted/quoted out of context/snipped some comments I made here, but it's probably worth saying anyway.
So, Tryphon . . . you arse!
Guess i'm late to the show again. Sorry if i took you out of context Chris
i own a Corse i - and for anything but "my replica is more exact than your replica" shenanigans it's the best Stratos lookalike to have, on track or road. IMHO of corse.
as for anality at stratossupersite, a few members have holes where their brains should be (i'm not liked there either
) For the enlightenment of those that don't inhabit both sites, Stratossupersite is populated by owners of both original Lancias, and the various Stratos replicas. There are are a variety of views expressed there on authenticity and technical qualities of the various models. Some are expressed in more desireable terms than others. Nobody there would condone the passing of a replica as anything other than that. There is "discussion" about what qualifies as an "original" Lancia Stratos, as many are built from a variety of parts sources, and there is also a thriving industry in fake "originals", with the manufacture of new bodyshells from scratch, some being given duplicate chassis numbers. ( see [url] http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthre[/url]
vojx said:
CorseChris said:
This is mostly addressed to the 'character' that mis-quoted/quoted out of context/snipped some comments I made here, but it's probably worth saying anyway.
So, Tryphon . . . you arse!
Guess i'm late to the show again. Sorry if i took you out of context Chris
LMAO.....
..now stop it!!
what's a good price range for a rep. stratos nowadays? The wife was sat in one at Stoneleigh a few months back, we were considering it at just £5k but the timing wasn't great - now it is great timing, the (very) few that I have seen for sale seem to go for quite impressive figures! Looks like it's back to her second choice then...
Hello All,
well the SEC is now being run by the Club with a new site and Forum, the Supersite is no longer on line (no connection to the current site) so fare no arguments, and tiffs, so all's well......
Feel free to pop over and have a look.
www.stratosec.com
well the SEC is now being run by the Club with a new site and Forum, the Supersite is no longer on line (no connection to the current site) so fare no arguments, and tiffs, so all's well......
Feel free to pop over and have a look.
www.stratosec.com
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