GTM 40TR

[fuoriserie]

What do you guys think of the new GTM 40 TR ?, I think that most kitcar manufacturers are going to embrace, this exoskelatal design concept, especially after the runaway success the Atom has been.

www.carmagazine.co.uk/first_official_picture.php?sid=398&page=1

Edited by fuoriserie on Wednesday 17th January 08:50

[black5]

fuoriserie said:

What do you guys think of the new GTM 40 TR ?, I think that most kitcar manufacturers are going to embrace, this exoskelatal design concept, especially after the runaway success the Atom has been.

www.carmagazine.co.uk/first_official_picture.php?sid=398&page=1

I was expecting a Picture. Thought they were showing it at Autosport?

[Davi]

really not keen on that. I love the skeletal look, but they have managed somehow to get it wrong, at least from that rendering.

[grahambell]

black5 said:

Thought they were showing it at Autosport?

They did show it at Autosport - and I have to say 'what the hell was Dave Keene thinking?'

I'm a big fan of GTM and was really looking forward to seeing this car, but what a dissppointment. It doesn't look half bad in the sketch shown, but the real thing is nothing like as good.

What they've done is take a GTM Spyder monocoque and stick bits on and the end result looks like something off Wacky Races. Honestly, you'd think it had been knocked up by somebody in a shed rather than being the product of a professional company.

In the sketch the 'chassis' rails run inboard of the front tyres, whereas on the actual car they run right over the top giving maybe 15mm of suspension travel! And the nosecone looks like it belongs on a different car entirely.

OK, it was a rush job for the show and the GTM staff said lots of things need changing, but frankly the whole thing looks just so wrong I'd never have let it out the workshop.

Sorry GTM, but this is going to do your image no good at all, so please either completely rehash it or can it.

Edited by grahambell on Wednesday 17th January 10:12

[v8owner]

shame.. i think the rendering looks quite good
i like the deep section chassis look,

[Shaun_E]

It hit every branch when it fell out of the ugly tree. Saw it at the Autosport show and thought it was waiting for the body to be fitted!

[black5]

I'll reserve my judgement until I see one.

I must say, I was expecting a 'proper' car though.

[MTv Dave]

I was thinking it'd be a proper car too - the rendering implies to me that the edges will be a little hard and sharpe, not really sure about it TBH, but the price isn't too bad.

[limegreennutter]

fuoriserie said:

......especially after the runaway success the Atom has been.

Difference is the Atom looks like it was designed by adults with a decent basis in engineering, not a 5yr old with a Mecano set

[GTWayne]

I saw it at Autosport and it did leap out at me but not for the wrong reason I am affraid. It looked awkward and not right. I am no designer and do not really have an idea of what I might like to see in a car but like most of us, you don't have to know much to know when something is not right.

[Furyblade_Lee]

Who thinks that a stretched 2+2 GTM Libra would sell?? Slightly elongated tub but with identical front and back?

[Davi]

I think the key issues are the bizarre front bulkhead design enclosing the occupants and the front nose cone - it looks like they built an aluminium exoskelaton - which IMO has lots of potential for a REALLY smart project, then thought - well what do we do now? so they've stuck an old box some parts came in as a place for legs to go - oh and look, a spare nosecone off a tonker toy... that'll borrow nicely.

[fuoriserie]

Davi said:

I think the key issues are the bizarre front bulkhead design enclosing the occupants and the front nose cone - it looks like they built an aluminium exoskelaton - which IMO has lots of potential for a REALLY smart project, then thought - well what do we do now? so they've stuck an old box some parts came in as a place for legs to go - oh and look, a spare nosecone off a tonker toy... that'll borrow nicely.

I thoght GTM used a monocoque chassis, but in looking at the rendering this morning, I didn't notice it...

Why not cover the monocoque chassis with only a front bonnett, enclosing the front wheels, and then leave the sides open or showing through, something like the Lotus 340R, and have motorcycle mudguards for the rear wheels.

You could still show the chassis/monocoque, but create a more extreme and light looking design.

But what do I know....

[Davi]

fuoriserie said:

But what do I know....

significantly more than the designer of that thing, going on your past sketches!!!

[grahambell]

fuoriserie said:

I thoght GTM used a monocoque chassis, but in looking at the rendering this morning, I didn't notice it...

You're right Italo they do, and that's what this has.

Although the sketch gives the impression that it has a fancy aluminium chassis, in reality it's a trimmed back Spyder monocoque with some 'fake chassis rails' bolted on seemingly more for styling than anything else. All the suspension is mounted to the monocoque exactly as per the Spyder.

The sections between the monocoque's 'door pillars' might actually contribute some strength, but as far as I could tell the sections forward of that do nothing other than support an ugly nosecone and limit suspension travel to virtually nothing.

And why have a hefty roll bar that's peaked in the middle on a two seater?

GTM really need a drastic rethink, because I can't see anybody paying £13,000 on a car like that in preference to a conventional Seven type car.

[Podie]

fuoriserie said:

What do you guys think of the new GTM 40 TR ?, I think that most kitcar manufacturers are going to embrace, this exoskelatal design concept, especially after the runaway success the Atom has been.

www.carmagazine.co.uk/first_official_picture.php?sid=398&page=1

Just smacks of "Atom rip-off" to me...

[fuoriserie]

grahambell said:

fuoriserie said:

I thoght GTM used a monocoque chassis, but in looking at the rendering this morning, I didn't notice it...

Although the sketch gives the impression that it has a fancy aluminium chassis, in reality it's a trimmed back Spyder monocoque with some 'fake chassis rails' bolted on seemingly more for styling than anything else. All the suspension is mounted to the monocoque exactly as per the Spyder.
And why have a hefty roll bar that's peaked in the middle on a two seater?

The monocoque chassis idea is a good one and it does have potential, but making it look like it had a steel chassis frame, like the Atom is not!!.

The concept is very interesting but the outcome needs some re-working........

Does anybody have pictures of the real prototype to show here? a rendering is always difficult to judge.

[Sam_68]

grahambell said:

black5 said:

Thought they were showing it at Autosport?

They did show it at Autosport - and I have to say 'what the hell was Dave Keene thinking?'

Exactly my thoughts, too!

Listening in to other people's comments suggests that the majority of people who saw it thought the same. A very serious misjudgement on someone's part, I'm afraid!

[Dave Dax Builder]

The picture just makes me think Meccanno.
Roll bar useless.
rear wing useless.
No mudguards on picture and will seriously make the car look much worse when added.
Where are the headlights?
You can buld a car just like this from one of the many kits on sale at Toys R Us.
Most likely to appeal to spotty hoodies who can't even affors a VX Nova.

[limegreennutter]

Podie said:

fuoriserie said:

What do you guys think of the new GTM 40 TR ?, I think that most kitcar manufacturers are going to embrace, this exoskelatal design concept, especially after the runaway success the Atom has been.

www.carmagazine.co.uk/first_official_picture.php?sid=398&page=1

Just smacks of "Atom rip-off" to me...

And a not very good one at that!!!