"Petrol and diesel are Dead" says GM

[fuoriserie]

Very interesting article on AUTOCAR, concerning the demise of petrol and diesel cars by GM, and investing heavily on Hydrogen and electric cars............

http://www.autocarmag.com/News/NewsArticle/AllCars...

Any kitcar manufacturer considering the electric car niche market? is someone working on a new electric Kit?

If the big boys are going to shift their manufacturing production, from internal combustion engines to electrics, then we should start thinking about future kits using this technology............now lets all get those washing machines electric engines, and convert our kits...........

[Black5]

I here Dax are working on an alternative fuel car:



Not sure it will take on though.

I reckon it will be a few years before kit manufacturers really consider alternative fuels. There are a few LPG conversions, but most systems have weight / size / expense issues that make fitment in kits a little prohibitive.

[hugoagogo]

is that a turbine? sweet

any more details of that?

[fuoriserie]

Black5 said:

I here Dax are working on an alternative fuel car:



Not sure it will take on though.

I reckon it will be a few years before kit manufacturers really consider alternative fuels. There are a few LPG conversions, but most systems have weight / size / expense issues that make fitment in kits a little prohibitive.

Very interesting news, and LPG could be a first step for kitcars, we have a lot of cars running on LPG in Italy.

[grahambell]

fuoriserie said:

Any kitcar manufacturer considering the electric car niche market? is someone working on a new electric Kit?

Hi Italo,

There was an electric MK Indy Seven type kit shown at Donington last year. Developed from the standard Indy by MK's Dutch agent Haselier Racing it apparently does 0-60mph in around 3 seconds and 150mph.

Originally built as a one-off for an electric components company there's the possiblity of more being built if there's the demand.

[Dave Dax builder]

hugoagogo said:

is that a turbine? sweet

any more details of that?

Heli engine. Bell Ranger.
Produce about 300bhp (Equiv)
The later version produces about double that and although slightly heavier still weighs less than Busa motor.
I'ts gonna be noisey though!

[annodomini2]

Dave Dax builder said:

hugoagogo said:

is that a turbine? sweet

any more details of that?

Heli engine. Bell Ranger.
Produce about 300bhp (Equiv)
The later version produces about double that and although slightly heavier still weighs less than Busa motor.
I'ts gonna be noisey though!

Consumes about 5X as much fuel as a 300bhp busa though!

[fuoriserie]

grahambell said:

fuoriserie said:

Any kitcar manufacturer considering the electric car niche market? is someone working on a new electric Kit?

Hi Italo,

There was an electric MK Indy Seven type kit shown at Donington last year. Developed from the standard Indy by MK's Dutch agent Haselier Racing it apparently does 0-60mph in around 3 seconds and 150mph.

Originally built as a one-off for an electric components company there's the possiblity of more being built if there's the demand.

Graham,

That is very good news, and it does open a potential niche market , especially if things change as fast as they seem to be lately, in the car manufacturing business...

[fuoriserie]

annodomini2 said:

Dave Dax builder said:

hugoagogo said:

is that a turbine? sweet

any more details of that?

Heli engine. Bell Ranger.
Produce about 300bhp (Equiv)
The later version produces about double that and although slightly heavier still weighs less than Busa motor.
I'ts gonna be noisey though!

Consumes about 5X as much fuel as a 300bhp busa though!

Can you change the type of fuel used in this turbine ? maybe biomass ethanol ? or something like it?, but it does open up some interesting research, in alternative fuels and kitcar engineering.

Vey good news..........

Edited by fuoriserie on Sunday 17th June 10:41

[Talksteer]

annodomini2 said:

Dave Dax builder said:

hugoagogo said:

is that a turbine? sweet

any more details of that?

Heli engine. Bell Ranger.
Produce about 300bhp (Equiv)
The later version produces about double that and although slightly heavier still weighs less than Busa motor.
I'ts gonna be noisey though!

Consumes about 5X as much fuel as a 300bhp busa though!

At top BHP turbines are about the same or even more efficient than a conventional engine, the problem is as you move off design (most engines run at 20-30% load) the pressure ratio, combustion temperature and component efficiencies all drop off where as on a car you compression ratio is fixed and the component efficiency may actually rise.

Hence if you are going to fit a turbine you might as well cane it!

[annodomini2]

fuoriserie said:

annodomini2 said:

Dave Dax builder said:

hugoagogo said:

is that a turbine? sweet

any more details of that?

Heli engine. Bell Ranger.
Produce about 300bhp (Equiv)
The later version produces about double that and although slightly heavier still weighs less than Busa motor.
I'ts gonna be noisey though!

Consumes about 5X as much fuel as a 300bhp busa though!

Can you change the type of fuel used in this turbine ? maybe biomass ethanol ? or something like it?, but it does open up some interesting research, in alternative fuels and kitcar engineering.

Vey good news..........

Edited by fuoriserie on Sunday 17th June 10:41

Most turbines will run on anything liquid that will burn, assuming the injection system can handle it and the fuel/air ratio is setup correctly.

Thats why M1 US tanks use one as they will run on diesel, petrol, ethanol, methanol, kerosene etc.