Opinions about Spire gt-r or Sylva mojo 2 ... ?
Discussion
I am looking for a kit-car for road and track use.The gt-r will probably have a full windscreen option later 2008 so this is another option for me.
I have already got a civc type-r engine complete with gearbox and everything. Both of the cars don't come with the type-r option from factory so i'll have to fab it myself. The gt-r needs a gearbox from a audi 80 or 100, Renault UN1 and 19 and Hewland Mk9 or LD200 and I have to fab the engine to one of these gearboxes. (thats a shame since the type-r gearbox is perfect by itself if you ask me)And for the mojo I have to make custom axles/hubs with stock gearbox.
The weight distribution of the gt-r will probably be better than the mojo's. The mojo will have a total weight somewhere around the lower half of 500Kg and the gt-r will be around 600Kg. I also think that the mojo will be more streetable than a gt-r, speedbumps wise.
I am looking for any opinions from you guys. I just want to make sure I will not start building my 2nd best option!
any option is appreciated!!
I have already got a civc type-r engine complete with gearbox and everything. Both of the cars don't come with the type-r option from factory so i'll have to fab it myself. The gt-r needs a gearbox from a audi 80 or 100, Renault UN1 and 19 and Hewland Mk9 or LD200 and I have to fab the engine to one of these gearboxes. (thats a shame since the type-r gearbox is perfect by itself if you ask me)And for the mojo I have to make custom axles/hubs with stock gearbox.
The weight distribution of the gt-r will probably be better than the mojo's. The mojo will have a total weight somewhere around the lower half of 500Kg and the gt-r will be around 600Kg. I also think that the mojo will be more streetable than a gt-r, speedbumps wise.
I am looking for any opinions from you guys. I just want to make sure I will not start building my 2nd best option!
any option is appreciated!!
Snapper7 said:
Have you got a link to this car? I don't know what make you are on about
I would assume this is it.http://www.spiresportscars.co.uk/
Got to say the Spire would get my vote if you want a track car, I just can't see anyone wanting a car that looks like the Sylva Mojo IMHO. It looks like Postman Pat has had a mid life crisis and converted his childrens TV post van into a comic land sports car. Sorry if it is your dream car but does anyone buy them that doesn't have a Broadmore post code.
There has got to be better looking cars out there you could build than a Mojo
There has got to be better looking cars out there you could build than a Mojo
Realistically, it depends on what balance you want between road and track use.
The Spire will make a better track car, but if you intend doing much more than 1000-1500 road miles per year it culd turn into a major pain in the ass. It's really only suitable for road use in fine weather (unless you are completely rabid) and you'll develop a nervous tick in the presence of speed humps & drop kerbs.
Incedentally, don't even think about a Hewland Mk9/LD200 for regular road use unless you are well and truly familiar with this sort of box and know what you are letting yourself in for.
I don't see any need for custom hubs with the Mojo; just get suitable driveshafts made up.
The Spire will make a better track car, but if you intend doing much more than 1000-1500 road miles per year it culd turn into a major pain in the ass. It's really only suitable for road use in fine weather (unless you are completely rabid) and you'll develop a nervous tick in the presence of speed humps & drop kerbs.
Incedentally, don't even think about a Hewland Mk9/LD200 for regular road use unless you are well and truly familiar with this sort of box and know what you are letting yourself in for.
I don't see any need for custom hubs with the Mojo; just get suitable driveshafts made up.
Snapper7 said:
Got to say the Spire would get my vote if you want a track car, I just can't see anyone wanting a car that looks like the Sylva Mojo IMHO. It looks like Postman Pat has had a mid life crisis and converted his childrens TV post van into a comic land sports car. Sorry if it is your dream car but does anyone buy them that doesn't have a Broadmore post code.
There has got to be better looking cars out there you could build than a Mojo
Ok than give me some hints! a fury is too small (6feet4 with a top on isnt going to work) a 5exi is too expencive. and sevens? we are all used too the looks of a seven and some even think it's pretty but in holland there are almost no sevens and most people say that a mojo is just as ugly a seven when i show pictures...There has got to be better looking cars out there you could build than a Mojo
To me its more about fun than looks but if anybody has got another idea than please let me know.
Sam_68 said:
Realistically, it depends on what balance you want between road and track use.
The Spire will make a better track car, but if you intend doing much more than 1000-1500 road miles per year it culd turn into a major pain in the ass. It's really only suitable for road use in fine weather (unless you are completely rabid) and you'll develop a nervous tick in the presence of speed humps & drop kerbs.
Incedentally, don't even think about a Hewland Mk9/LD200 for regular road use unless you are well and truly familiar with this sort of box and know what you are letting yourself in for.
I don't see any need for custom hubs with the Mojo; just get suitable driveshafts made up.
Did you guess the gt-r will be a better track car by looks or do you know this? The Spire will make a better track car, but if you intend doing much more than 1000-1500 road miles per year it culd turn into a major pain in the ass. It's really only suitable for road use in fine weather (unless you are completely rabid) and you'll develop a nervous tick in the presence of speed humps & drop kerbs.
Incedentally, don't even think about a Hewland Mk9/LD200 for regular road use unless you are well and truly familiar with this sort of box and know what you are letting yourself in for.
I don't see any need for custom hubs with the Mojo; just get suitable driveshafts made up.
I don't drive a lot but I have got 5 speed hump chalenge before I can get out of my town. And if I look at the nosecone from the gt-r I think this will be a problem...
I don't know anything about the hewland gearbox...so I don't think I have to find some information bout it then
(rubbish?)But I think that it will be hard to find a gearbox that (semi)fits...Ok still looking for more opinions or options!
thanks!
What about a Sylva Phoenix?
http://www.speedon.nl/Striker-recensies-Phoenix.php
http://www.speedon.nl/Striker-recensies-Phoenix.php
Edited by Pooh on Friday 28th December 16:51
Pooh said:
What about a Sylva Phoenix?
http://www.speedon.nl/Striker-recensies-Phoenix.php
I like the looks of a phoenix and a stylus but I don't think that either will fit since the fury was way too small. And I thought that they stopped producing both of them? The stylus recently?http://www.speedon.nl/Striker-recensies-Phoenix.php
Edited by Pooh on Friday 28th December 16:51
X-man said:
I think i read somewhere that Caged(the rollbar people)have taken over production of the Phoenix and the Stylus is only temporarily ceased, as for size of the Stylus there is a chap who is 6'3" and big (not fat) and he gets on alright with his.
I am 6feet 4.5 inch I think. (1.95meter)Does the 6'3'' guy fit in with a roof top?thanks!
dnbruut said:
Did you guess the gt-r will be a better track car by looks or do you know this?
I have driven both cars; admittedly not the Sylva on track and not the Spire in its current form/manufacturer (and with a a bike engine rather than a car engine`), but they are as you would expect from their looks... the Sylva is very much a road car and the Spire/MK very much a track refugee. Both are very good cars, but they were designed for different purposes.
dnbruut said:
I don't know anything about the hewland gearbox...so I don't think I have to find some information bout it then (rubbish?)
You need to use one, not read about it!! (rubbish?)Again; they are designed for a specific purpose and that purpose is racing. Even Hewland's own web site will tell you that its gearboxes are not suitable for road use.
They are a dog engagement gearbox (no synchromesh!!) with straight cut gears. They offer a very fast gearchange at track speeds, but are increadibly noisy and have a very clonky gearchange at road speeds. If you miss a gear, or don't select a gear firmly and positively enough, they will grate and grind and generally make you look like a learner driver. When you get it right, they have a very slick, quick gearchange, but they require more concentration and skill than most people used to synchromesh gearboxes are willing to offer for road use.
dnbruut said:
Snapper7 said:
Got to say the Spire would get my vote if you want a track car, I just can't see anyone wanting a car that looks like the Sylva Mojo IMHO. It looks like Postman Pat has had a mid life crisis and converted his childrens TV post van into a comic land sports car. Sorry if it is your dream car but does anyone buy them that doesn't have a Broadmore post code.
There has got to be better looking cars out there you could build than a Mojo
Ok than give me some hints! a fury is too small (6feet4 with a top on isnt going to work) a 5exi is too expencive. and sevens? we are all used too the looks of a seven and some even think it's pretty but in holland there are almost no sevens and most people say that a mojo is just as ugly a seven when i show pictures...There has got to be better looking cars out there you could build than a Mojo
To me its more about fun than looks but if anybody has got another idea than please let me know.
I would Have a look through the classified section on Piston heads. But I would Suggest
ADR
http://www.adr-engineering.co.uk/
Caterham (You will want a SV version, a friend of mine has an SV and is 6'3"
, http://www.caterham.co.uk/
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/list.asp?s=39
Classic Porsche Speedsters
Chesil Speedster; http://www.chesil.co.uk/
Pilgrim; http://www.pilgrimcars.com/newmag/speedymain.html
Ginetta G27 or G20
http://www.ginettacars.com/
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/316649.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/305233.htm
Marcus (Now out of Production)
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/list.asp?s=55
Panther
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/list.asp?s=105
Westfield,
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/list.asp?p=1&...
Westfield XI, (lotus 11)
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/229522.htm
Westfield XR
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/list.asp?p=1&...
Phantom,
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/321907.htm
Donkervoort
http://www.donkervoort.nl/home.htm
Vincent
http://freespace.virgin.net/toni.dwornik/index.htm
Beach Buggies
http://www.beachbuggies.co.uk/
JBA Falcon (Not sure if they still have a uk outlet)
http://www.jbacars.co.uk/ocars.htm
Marlin
http://www.marlincars.co.uk/
Findhorn Car (I like the 2x seater)
http://www.ngcars.co.uk/default.asp?PageID=1
Cobra?
http://www.daxcars.co.uk/start.htm
http://www.hawkcars.co.uk/
http://www.hallmark-cars.com/site/showrooms/cobra/...
http://www.pilgrimcars.com/index1.html
Suffolk Sports Cars
http://www.jagweb.com/suffolk/
Austin Healey 3000 Replicas
Pilgrim; http://www.pilgrimcars.com/newmag/3000.html
Sebring; http://www.sebringinternational.co.uk/
or wild cards;
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/312091.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/286476.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/280924.htm
http://www.pilgrimcars.com/minotaur/turnkey.html
That should give you something to think about.
Sam_68 said:
dnbruut said:
Did you guess the gt-r will be a better track car by looks or do you know this?
I have driven both cars; admittedly not the Sylva on track and not the Spire in its current form/manufacturer (and with a a bike engine rather than a car engine`), but they are as you would expect from their looks... the Sylva is very much a road car and the Spire/MK very much a track refugee. Both are very good cars, but they were designed for different purposes.
dnbruut said:
I don't know anything about the hewland gearbox...so I don't think I have to find some information bout it then (rubbish?)
You need to use one, not read about it!! (rubbish?)Again; they are designed for a specific purpose and that purpose is racing. Even Hewland's own web site will tell you that its gearboxes are not suitable for road use.
They are a dog engagement gearbox (no synchromesh!!) with straight cut gears. They offer a very fast gearchange at track speeds, but are increadibly noisy and have a very clonky gearchange at road speeds. If you miss a gear, or don't select a gear firmly and positively enough, they will grate and grind and generally make you look like a learner driver. When you get it right, they have a very slick, quick gearchange, but they require more concentration and skill than most people used to synchromesh gearboxes are willing to offer for road use.
I know what a dog box is I just didn't know the name hewland... Thanks!
dnbruut said:
I am 6feet 4.5 inch I think. (1.95meter)Does the 6'3'' guy fit in with a roof top?
thanks!
I wouldn't worry, if you fit a motorsport rollbar it will give you an extra 2-3" headroom then get a roof made to fit, i will ask him for you though or you can register on the forum and ask yourself as i'm sure you have other questions.thanks!
Snapper7 said:
dnbruut said:
Snapper7 said:
Got to say the Spire would get my vote if you want a track car, I just can't see anyone wanting a car that looks like the Sylva Mojo IMHO. It looks like Postman Pat has had a mid life crisis and converted his childrens TV post van into a comic land sports car. Sorry if it is your dream car but does anyone buy them that doesn't have a Broadmore post code.
There has got to be better looking cars out there you could build than a Mojo
Ok than give me some hints! a fury is too small (6feet4 with a top on isnt going to work) a 5exi is too expencive. and sevens? we are all used too the looks of a seven and some even think it's pretty but in holland there are almost no sevens and most people say that a mojo is just as ugly a seven when i show pictures...There has got to be better looking cars out there you could build than a Mojo
To me its more about fun than looks but if anybody has got another idea than please let me know.
I would Have a look through the classified section on Piston heads. But I would Suggest
ADR
http://www.adr-engineering.co.uk/ I love this car but I need something for track and ROAD.
Caterham (You will want a SV version, a friend of mine has an SV and is 6'3"
, http://www.caterham.co.uk/
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/list.asp?s=39 I have tried a lot of seven and non so far where i fit in. MAYBE this one will fit but its still a seven and to me it doesn't look better than the mojo2
Classic Porsche Speedsters
Chesil Speedster; http://www.chesil.co.uk/
Pilgrim; http://www.pilgrimcars.com/newmag/speedymain.html No replica's sorry
Ginetta G27 or G20
http://www.ginettacars.com/
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/316649.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/305233.htm As far as I am told I will never fit in.
Marcus (Now out of Production)
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/list.asp?s=55
Panther
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/list.asp?s=105 Not my thing sorry
Westfield,
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/list.asp?p=1&... I don't fit.
Westfield XI, (lotus 11)
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/229522.htm Maybe I will piss some people off when I say this but I think its almost as ugly as a fiat multipla....
Westfield XR
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/list.asp?p=1&... I like the looks but there is no front window... and its just as rainy in holland as in the ukI think...
Phantom,
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/321907.htm The looks are ok but that is not the only thing I look for in a car...
Donkervoort
http://www.donkervoort.nl/home.htm 45.000for a seven? there are days where I don't even have that kind of money in my wallet
Vincent
http://freespace.virgin.net/toni.dwornik/index.htm Sorry not my thing.
Beach Buggies
http://www.beachbuggies.co.uk/ Not my thing either...
JBA Falcon (Not sure if they still have a uk outlet)
http://www.jbacars.co.uk/ocars.htm Same answer....
Marlin
http://www.marlincars.co.uk/ I like the 5exi-r in every possible way, but it can't be build for the price they advertise with... It's just out of my budget.
Findhorn Car (I like the 2x seater)
http://www.ngcars.co.uk/default.asp?PageID=1 Classics just aren't my thing.
Cobra? I like cobra's but they are too expensive + they would look silly with a 2litre....
http://www.daxcars.co.uk/start.htm
http://www.hawkcars.co.uk/
http://www.hallmark-cars.com/site/showrooms/cobra/...
http://www.pilgrimcars.com/index1.html
Suffolk Sports Cars
http://www.jagweb.com/suffolk/ No replica's
Austin Healey 3000 Replicas No replica's
Pilgrim; http://www.pilgrimcars.com/newmag/3000.html
Sebring; http://www.sebringinternational.co.uk/
or wild cards;
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/312091.htm A slow car that looks like the one from a 60year old with more money than taste? the shame....
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/286476.htm like the looks but i want to build a kit
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/280924.htm classic
http://www.pilgrimcars.com/minotaur/turnkey.html I think I like the looks but I have never seen it on anything else than pics. but it's a lttle pricey for me.
That should give you something to think about.
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