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minipete

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152 posts

227 months

Saturday 16th February 2008
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Hi all i`m putting this post up for a friend who has built a Westfield type kitcar,it is power br a Mondeo 1.8l engine.He plans to take it on trackdays,and would like to know what are the best brand of tyres to use for track use.
Thanks Pete,

.Adam.

1,861 posts

287 months

Saturday 16th February 2008
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I think you will find the most popular will be either Yokohama A048r's or Toyo R888's.

Sam_68

9,939 posts

269 months

Saturday 16th February 2008
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If budget isn't a consideration, he'll get a good idea if he looks at the types of tyres being fitted to the quicker versions of current Caterhams. Yokahama (my Westfield runs A0032R's and my Sylva the now-obsolete A008R's and I can recommend both) or Avon ACB10's or CR500's are pretty good.

Like everything else, though, it's a compromise... a tyre that is good for dry track use is going to be pretty hopeless for all-weather road use and is likely to have pretty high wear rates (I tend to get no more than 5-6K miles out of a set of tyres, even in road use, on my Sylva or Westfield).

robcollingridge

633 posts

307 months

Saturday 16th February 2008
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minipete said:
Hi all i`m putting this post up for a friend who has built a Westfield type kitcar,it is power br a Mondeo 1.8l engine.He plans to take it on trackdays,and would like to know what are the best brand of tyres to use for track use.
Thanks Pete,
I've got A048R's on my Fisher Fury R1 and I really like them but when cold they don't grip too well, which may be an issue if he intends to drive all year round on the road.

On 13" rims they are really quite cheap, which is just as well, as I reckon 2000 miles is the most the rears will see, given my 95% road driving / 5% track use.

minipete

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152 posts

227 months

Saturday 16th February 2008
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Cheers all i`ll pass that on,i think he is on a tight budget and he is planning to have a set of sticking tyres for trackdays and keep his other set for road use.

Busa_Rush

6,930 posts

275 months

Sunday 17th February 2008
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minipete said:
Cheers all i`ll pass that on,i think he is on a tight budget and he is planning to have a set of sticking tyres for trackdays and keep his other set for road use.
If on a tight budget then he can have just as much fun on std road tyres, get a set of Kumho or Toyo T1 tyres, cheap-ish and will be great fun, just might not have the ultimate grip of the fancy tyres but he might not need that much grip if he's not running high power.

The more grip you have, generally the faster reactions you need and the more stress put on the car and if you spin you'll be spinnng at higher speed - for fun track days for a normal bloke out for a laugh then any reasonable road tyre will be OK. Will also allow you to get the car sideways if you want to at lower speed. Some race series use tyres like this for these reasons.

jon-

16,534 posts

240 months

Monday 18th February 2008
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As it's a light car you ideally want a tyre that's offered in many compounds so you don't have problems getting heat into them. The trouble with single compound tyres is they have to be designed to cope with a 120bhp superlight and a 500bhp 1500kgs monster which often leads to problems at each extreme end.

I'd recommend having a look at a soft compound Kumho V70a if on a budget. If not, the Yokos seem to be the kit car owners preference.

gingerprince

571 posts

265 months

Wednesday 20th February 2008
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If he's on a budget, it might be worth trying something like the Marangoni Zeta Linea - favoured amongst the sprint chaps I believe. Dirt cheap soft rubber. May not get many miles out of them, but at 35 quid a corner who cares!

Furyblade_Lee

4,114 posts

248 months

Wednesday 20th February 2008
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If he is serious I have a set of 185/60/14 Yokohama AO32r's (almost new, surplust to my requirements as I have too many!) in the garage. These are proper road legal trackday tyres,and cost way over £300. I would let them go for about half that, to buy myself some T1R's for street use. Let me know. Yokohama 32r, 48r and Toyo R888 (generally cheaper) are the best trackday tyres for lightweight kit cars.

minipete

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152 posts

227 months

Wednesday 20th February 2008
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Cheers for that,but he`s running 15" wheels.
How readily availible are Marangoni Zeta Tyres?

Furyblade_Lee

4,114 posts

248 months

Wednesday 20th February 2008
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For "normal" tyres always try www.mytyres.co.uk first. For specialist tyres, can be a minefield. Pollysport are a good source for Yokohama. never heard of the ones you mention?

sam919

1,078 posts

220 months

Wednesday 20th February 2008
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R888s i used last season. Can get 185/60/13s for £45 and the 205/60s for £55 from C and S tyres in middlesborough. 01624 245 339. i dont work for them!! There excellent both wet and dry, on my fury about 460kg, i used 18psi in the dry and 20 in the wet, to get around 22 psi hot.


gingerprince

571 posts

265 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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minipete said:
Cheers for that,but he`s running 15" wheels.
How readily availible are Marangoni Zeta Tyres?
They are available here for one thing: -

http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m4b0s9...

I would assume most tyre places should be able to order them in though? I dunno, but I'm going to try some for this track day season as my existing tyres are shot.

groomi

9,330 posts

267 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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Furyblade_Lee said:
If he is serious I have a set of 185/60/14 Yokohama AO32r's (almost new, surplust to my requirements as I have too many!) in the garage. These are proper road legal trackday tyres,and cost way over £300. I would let them go for about half that, to buy myself some T1R's for street use. Let me know. Yokohama 32r, 48r and Toyo R888 (generally cheaper) are the best trackday tyres for lightweight kit cars.
Me! Me! Me! biggrin

Furyblade, how many of those have you got - 4 or 5? I need a full set for a Westfield I'm buying and that's exactly what I wanted to get. I'm in Kent so could collect.

Cheers,
Iain

sam919

1,078 posts

220 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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Oh yeh never saw the 15" bit!!

Furyblade_Lee

4,114 posts

248 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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Groomi, give me a call on 01883 718281 and have a chat.

.Adam.

1,861 posts

287 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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Slightly O/T - Groomi, when you get your Westfield, there are a few of us Kent Westies that take a drive over to the Surrey WSCC meets, so if you ever want to join us, feel free!

Comadis

1,731 posts

247 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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for comparing prices:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...

185/60 R13 (80V)
Semi Slick Toyo Proxes R888

2 tyres for 143,- pound

groomi

9,330 posts

267 months

Friday 22nd February 2008
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Furyblade_Lee said:
Groomi, give me a call on 01883 718281 and have a chat.
I'll give you a call today.

groomi

9,330 posts

267 months

Friday 22nd February 2008
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.Adam. said:
Slightly O/T - Groomi, when you get your Westfield, there are a few of us Kent Westies that take a drive over to the Surrey WSCC meets, so if you ever want to join us, feel free!
Sounds like a plan. thumbup