Not a kit car

[molestrangler]

I have looked through items already posted but cannot find an answer to this,

I am scratch building a car NOT a kit car but from the ground up, inc. chassis. Am I right in thinking that I am now screwed with the new regs coming in next year as mine will def. not be finished until late 09 at the earliest, it is far from clear to me where I stand.

Sorry if this is a repeat, if it is, please point me in the right direction.

[Steve_D]

molestrangler said:

I have looked through items already posted but cannot find an answer to this,

I am scratch building a car NOT a kit car but from the ground up, inc. chassis. Am I right in thinking that I am now screwed with the new regs coming in next year as mine will def. not be finished until late 09 at the earliest, it is far from clear to me where I stand.

Sorry if this is a repeat, if it is, please point me in the right direction.

Why do you think the IVA will be a problem?

Steve

[jgmadkit]

If it comes in as scheduled (do gov things ever happen on schedule?) then yes you will but assuming you were building to current SVA specs then the slight changes in IVA shouldn't present a problem I wouldn't have thought.

John

[molestrangler]

I am advised (might be wrongly) that the new system is for new models of limited production kit cars and newly built already "proven" kit cars, with no provision for "one offs"

[Avocet]

There's nothing to stop you puting it through as an "amateur built" car. You have to be a "person not ordinarily engaged in a busines in which cars are assembled". Don't know if that would help?

As far as I'm aware, there will also still be the category of "vehicle built using parts from a previously registered donor" - depending on whether or not you plan to use any donor bits.

I would have thought that it would still be possible to put something through the new IVA scheme - especially if it's going to be a contemporary design rather then a replica of something old and pre-SVA. I believe it is a fundamental cornerstone of the scheme that someone should always be able to build and register a genuine "one-off".

[tomTVR]

What is the difference between IVA and SVA? I thought the IVA was going to be far more strict with pedestrian impact and ABS brakes - that sort of thing? Thats why such a big deal is being made of it killing the kit car industry.

[Avocet]

IVA is due to replace SVA (if the talked-about timings are to be believed) in April next year. As with SVA, there are two levels of test regime. Currently, we have SVA and "ESVA" (enhanced SVA). The latter is for "proper" cars like grey imports that are actually capable of meeting much tougher requirements than kit cars. In the brave new world of IVA, we'll have "BIVA" (basic IVA) and IVA. These are broadly equivalent to SVA and ESVA respectively. As I understand it (and I've not been through the regs specifically from the kit car perspective), I understand that an amateur built kit car will only need to go through BIVA and that it's requirements will be much less than those of IVA. From memory, the noise limit has come down a bit and the "visible smoke only" emissions limit has gone. ALL categories of engine, regardless of age, now need to meet some kind of numerical emissions limits. Beyond that, I guess there will have been other "tightenings-up" here and there.


There's a draft testers' manual on the DFT website at present:

http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/repository/The%20I...

but it's over 7 Meg!

[Steve_D]

I have had a read through the IVA draft with our kits in mind and have seen nothing that can't be achieved. As I'm in the process of putting my Dakar through SVA and trying to understand how the rules would be applied I can say that IVA is better as it is more detailed and IMO clearer. Hopefully this will go some way to resolving problems some have had with individual testers interpreting the words differently.

Noise is 99dbA
Emissions, the visual test is still there. Measured applies from 1 Aug. 75.

Steve

[molestrangler]

Steve_D said:

I have had a read through the IVA draft with our kits in mind and have seen nothing that can't be achieved. As I'm in the process of putting my Dakar through SVA and trying to understand how the rules would be applied I can say that IVA is better as it is more detailed and IMO clearer. Hopefully this will go some way to resolving problems some have had with individual testers interpreting the words differently.

Noise is 99dbA
Emissions, the visual test is still there. Measured applies from 1 Aug. 75.

Steve

Hi Steve,
where did you find the draft and does anyone know when the document we will have to comply with will be available, it,s a bit tricky at the moment when one is in the middle of a scatch build, in fact, I have stopped for now as it may be that I am going in the wrong direction. Cheers, Phil.

[Steve_D]

Avoset posted a link to it two posts ago.

Steve

[molestrangler]

Thanks, but I feel reluctant to build something complying to a draft that might change, that's why I am interested to find out when we get the actual doc.