Fitting a Peugeut MI16 in a kitcar (upright, not 30° angle)?

[Stijn]

Hi all,

I'm building an offroad sprinter (simular to a kitcar, but this one is for offroad) to compete in local offroad races.

I am the proud owner of a very good peugeot MI16 engine.
The problem is however that normally the engine is fitted in a 30° angle in the car. Now we will be fitting the engine
longitudinally (in a rear engine configuration). So i was wondering what the issues are in putting the engine completely upright?

I will be using a Pace Dry Sump system, so in the bottem there will be no problem of oil surge, but there could be problems in the
oil returning from the head...

Is there anyone out there who has experience in using the MI16 in a upright placement and could give me some hints?

THanks

[Stijn]

Has nobody every tried this with this engine???

[thescamper]

Not going to be much help here, but there was a guy who put said pug engine in a '7' replica upright and had a few problems with the oil system. The guy who did it was a well know pug rallye specialist who's name I can't remember. All I can remember was that he was based in the midlands. Might be worth trying on the Locost forums they seem to have tried most engines.

[Chris71]

Also not a huge amount of help (sorry!) but maybe try the French Bred section on here or one of the Pug forums? It's a hugely popular engine for production-based track day cars and the like, but not very common in kit car circles.

[M400 NBL]

Peugeot Specialists in Coventry may be able to help. They rebuilt my MI16 engine back in the mid 90's so they should have a lot of experience with this engine.

What sort of weight do you expect your hill climber to be? It's just that the extra weight in the front of a 205 made the handling a bit of a handful.

However you mount the engine, be sure to modify the engine mounts so that the engine doesn't move as much as it did in the 405. Until I did that, the handling was verging on dangerous. I expect that you won't be taking hard bends or corners on a hill climb, but i'd still recommend reducing the movement of the engine during heavy acceleration.

Be sure to post some pics. That thing is going to fly

[Stijn]

To be honest, it will for sure have to handle a lot of bends and turns, as it will be used for offroad endurance races:
The configuration so far:
- Quaife 6 speed sequential gearbox (dogbox)+bellhousing+digital gear indicator (already ordered)
- Sachs race clutch with hydraulic clutch release bearing (quaife)
- Pace dry sump system
- MI16-engine, internals close to standard, mainly because the buggy will be used in endurance races (+6 hours), don't wont to get in a too highly tuned state (+ it will be cheap when something breaks)
- Jenvey trottle bodies + Emerald ECU (tuned on rolling road) (Have been using Emerald for a few years, and absolutely love it :-)

All this in a 500kg offroad buggy with a porsche steering rack (turns really sharp) and Reiger Off Road race suspension
(to my humble opinion, lots better then Proflex)

[thescamper]

Got any pics?