Q plates and other stuff for a novice
Discussion
Can some one explain the Q plate for me
I'm considering building a car this year but dont wish to have a Q plate.
if I build a car from kit without using a donor vehicle but source my parts from a breakers what concequence does this have? I'm not keen on the work and untidyness of havibg a donor vehicle at home for a few weeks / months.
I know this may seen fussy but have to consider the look of the front garedn as I dont have a double garage
how did you get around this?
I would appreciate your comments on the difficulties you had when building your car and how you over came them, I'm scepticat of claims that a kit is easy built in just a free days that I have seen in some adverts.
I'm considering building a car this year but dont wish to have a Q plate.
if I build a car from kit without using a donor vehicle but source my parts from a breakers what concequence does this have? I'm not keen on the work and untidyness of havibg a donor vehicle at home for a few weeks / months.
I know this may seen fussy but have to consider the look of the front garedn as I dont have a double garage
how did you get around this?
I would appreciate your comments on the difficulties you had when building your car and how you over came them, I'm scepticat of claims that a kit is easy built in just a free days that I have seen in some adverts.
I will stick my head over the parapet as there seems a reluctence to commit an answer to this one.....
The 'Built Up Vehicle Inspection Report' V627/1, list major components for a car as;
Chassis/Body Shell
Axles
Transmission
Steering Assembly
Engine
Suspension (front and back)
You only need to use 2 of the above from a donor vehicle to qualify for an age related plate and as the form is rather vague it is open to interpretation.
If for example you use a sierra as a donor and use the engine box your in there for an age related plate, best to buy a donor, register it in your name, quickly take off the components you need, scrap the rest but retain the log book (not forgetting to sorn it) as you will need the log book for the age related plate.
Q plates do have advantages at MOT time. Visible smoke test on emissions for example
The 'Built Up Vehicle Inspection Report' V627/1, list major components for a car as;
Chassis/Body Shell
Axles
Transmission
Steering Assembly
Engine
Suspension (front and back)
You only need to use 2 of the above from a donor vehicle to qualify for an age related plate and as the form is rather vague it is open to interpretation.
If for example you use a sierra as a donor and use the engine box your in there for an age related plate, best to buy a donor, register it in your name, quickly take off the components you need, scrap the rest but retain the log book (not forgetting to sorn it) as you will need the log book for the age related plate.
Q plates do have advantages at MOT time. Visible smoke test on emissions for example
I've had a letter from the DVLA telling me a local office wants to inspect my car. I wrote to them to SORN/change the owner.
The kit has always been on the donor V5, so I'd been expecting to go down the SVA route. It has been used on the road as a Quantum before, but never had the V5 updated and was taken off the road a few years ago to restore. That restoration never happened and I bought it in it's "ready to restore now" state
Makes me wonder if they're thinking of taking the donor paperwork off me and it'll go on a Q when complete.
I dont think I'm that bothered about a Q plate or not to be honest, I know there's a stigma attached to them but I wouldnt be losing an age related plate of any significance. MOT/emissions would be the same test anyway
The kit has always been on the donor V5, so I'd been expecting to go down the SVA route. It has been used on the road as a Quantum before, but never had the V5 updated and was taken off the road a few years ago to restore. That restoration never happened and I bought it in it's "ready to restore now" state
Makes me wonder if they're thinking of taking the donor paperwork off me and it'll go on a Q when complete.
I dont think I'm that bothered about a Q plate or not to be honest, I know there's a stigma attached to them but I wouldnt be losing an age related plate of any significance. MOT/emissions would be the same test anyway
andy-xr said:
I dont think I'm that bothered about a Q plate or not to be honest, I know there's a stigma attached to them but I wouldnt be losing an age related plate of any significance. MOT/emissions would be the same test anyway
are you able to register a personal plate to a Q-Car?I really don't understand this stigma to Q Plates.
I built my first car circa 1984 and had it on a Q Plate I drove the car everyday for nigh on 12 years and I had at least as many people enquiring what the Q meant as I had asking what the car was. Now admittedly some 25 years later Q Plates have been around for a while but they are still a rarity.
I was proud to explain to people I got the Q Plate as I had built the car myself and I got many many positive comments as a result. Why on earth be ashamed of people knowing that you built your car ?
OK if you';re pretending to own a Lambo or a Ferrari it might be a bit naff but then you can debate that till the cows come home
Oh my Ginetta is on a 72 K Plate using the Spitfire GT6 as the donor but that's purely to get the Historic Tax bill
I built my first car circa 1984 and had it on a Q Plate I drove the car everyday for nigh on 12 years and I had at least as many people enquiring what the Q meant as I had asking what the car was. Now admittedly some 25 years later Q Plates have been around for a while but they are still a rarity.
I was proud to explain to people I got the Q Plate as I had built the car myself and I got many many positive comments as a result. Why on earth be ashamed of people knowing that you built your car ?
OK if you';re pretending to own a Lambo or a Ferrari it might be a bit naff but then you can debate that till the cows come homeOh my Ginetta is on a 72 K Plate using the Spitfire GT6 as the donor but that's purely to get the Historic Tax bill
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No, once it's Q plated thats it really. Unless you were to rebuild it from new components and then go through testing again I supposeandy-xr said:
I dont think I'm that bothered about a Q plate or not to be honest, I know there's a stigma attached to them but I wouldnt be losing an age related plate of any significance. MOT/emissions would be the same test anyway
are you able to register a personal plate to a Q-Car?qdos said:
I really don't understand this stigma to Q Plates.
I think there is some kind of deep seated belief that a Q plate must mean a car is in some way "dodgy". Personally I agree with you, it's simply a number plate, and one which can help avoid a load of grief at MOT time. Then again, people spending serious money on a personalised number plate has always been a source of constant amazement to me.From the DVLA:
Kit Cars
Where all the parts of a vehicle are supplied new by the manufacturer. Subject to the provision of satisfactory receipts and a certificate of newness these vehicles will be registered under a current registration mark.
Kit cars which have been built using not more than one reconditioned component will also be registered under a current mark. This is subject to the provision of satisfactory evidence that the component has been reconditioned to an ""as new"" standard. An ESVA, SVA or MSVA test will be required.
Kit Conversions
This is where a kit of new parts is added to an existing vehicle or old parts are added to a kit comprising a manufactured body, chassis or monocoque bodyshell. The general appearance of the vehicle will change and result in a revised description on the registration certificate.
A vehicle will retain its donor registration mark if either the original unmodified chassis or unaltered monocoque bodyshell and two other major components are used. If a new monocoque bodyshell or chassis from a specialist kit manufacturer is used (or an altered chassis or bodyshell from an existing vehicle) together with two major components from a donor vehicle, an age related mark will be assigned. The mark will be based on the age of the donor vehicle. An ESVA, SVA or MSVA test will be required to register the vehicle.
Where there are insufficient parts from a donor vehicle or in cases where the original registration mark is unknown, an ESVA, SVA or MSVA certificate will be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSell...
Basically,
You get a new registration mark if all parts are new (bar one major component which is allowed to have been refurbished.)
You get an age related mark (eg. an old registration) if you use more than one refurbished part and can prove the age of all the parts.
You get a Q plate in all other circumstances.
The list of parts that the DVLA look at to determine vehcile age seems to be open to interpretation. The best advice is to go armed with every receipt, the clerk will look at the large pile of paperwork and request the bare minimum. Well, it worked for me.
Kit Cars
Where all the parts of a vehicle are supplied new by the manufacturer. Subject to the provision of satisfactory receipts and a certificate of newness these vehicles will be registered under a current registration mark.
Kit cars which have been built using not more than one reconditioned component will also be registered under a current mark. This is subject to the provision of satisfactory evidence that the component has been reconditioned to an ""as new"" standard. An ESVA, SVA or MSVA test will be required.
Kit Conversions
This is where a kit of new parts is added to an existing vehicle or old parts are added to a kit comprising a manufactured body, chassis or monocoque bodyshell. The general appearance of the vehicle will change and result in a revised description on the registration certificate.
A vehicle will retain its donor registration mark if either the original unmodified chassis or unaltered monocoque bodyshell and two other major components are used. If a new monocoque bodyshell or chassis from a specialist kit manufacturer is used (or an altered chassis or bodyshell from an existing vehicle) together with two major components from a donor vehicle, an age related mark will be assigned. The mark will be based on the age of the donor vehicle. An ESVA, SVA or MSVA test will be required to register the vehicle.
Where there are insufficient parts from a donor vehicle or in cases where the original registration mark is unknown, an ESVA, SVA or MSVA certificate will be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSell...
Basically,
You get a new registration mark if all parts are new (bar one major component which is allowed to have been refurbished.)
You get an age related mark (eg. an old registration) if you use more than one refurbished part and can prove the age of all the parts.
You get a Q plate in all other circumstances.
The list of parts that the DVLA look at to determine vehcile age seems to be open to interpretation. The best advice is to go armed with every receipt, the clerk will look at the large pile of paperwork and request the bare minimum. Well, it worked for me.
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