How can I avoid a "Q" plate?

[Vortice01]

Here's my dilemma.

I know the requirements to get a new plate or an age related plate, but can anyone think of a way around this ass of a rule?

I am building a porsche 550 replica on a new chassis, with a 1972 911 engine, an old porsche 914 gearbox, 911 front disks and 944 rear disks. Suspension is fabricated and steering rack is escort.

I can't go down the route of new components as the gearbox would need to be the reconditioned item and I can't afford anew 911 engine! `and i don't see how I can claim that I went down the donor route.

I have nothing against "Q" plates, but i'd like to get a registration typical of the era.

Any thoughts?

Regards,

John

[Steve_D]

I think you already know the answer.
You have covered all the possibilities apart from buying a new gearbox, re-manufacture the engine and then use new parts for everything else.

Think you are Q'd.

Steve

[Vortice01]

I thought as much! By the way, how does the registering process work? Does a man come round to view the car after it has passed the SVA and decides how it is going to be registered?

Regards,

John

[gingerpaul]

You need to be able to convince the DVLA that a certain number of parts came from the donor to get an age related plate. With a new chassis I think you need two components from the donor. I would suggest that as long as it's got Porsche written on it the DVLA aren't going to have a clue whether they're off a 911, 944, 914 etc if you catch my drift.

[Vortice01]

Ok, so all is not lost then! Thanks for that!!

Regards,

John

[gingerpaul]

Just to add, they probably are smart enough to realise a G50 gearbox won't have come out of a 944 so make sure you pick the right donor. You'll need a V5 to give to the DVLA to prove where the bits came from.

[Hunky Dory]

There is of course the final "option".
When you take the car to be registered, you may get a numpty on the other side of the desk who gives you an age related number instead of the Q plate you should have been given.

This option worked for me, although I think it basically used up all my good luck, for the rest of my life.
It's certainly the reason I blame for not winning the lottery every week.

[dhutch]

Sounds like a suitably crashed porch needs to be purchased, with V5.

[Vortice01]

I think i'm going to investigate that route!

[Vortice01]

To get an age related plate, what evidence of the donor is required? Do you need to supply the V5 and if so, do they then require that you scrap the donor and show proof of disposal?

John

[gingerpaul]

I'm fairly sure you need the V5 to give to the DVLA when you register the kit car. I don't know whether you can then apply to the DVLA for another V5 for the donor car afterwards. It'd be a neat trick if you could but I think it's unlikely. Would be interestng to know one way or the other though. I'd be inclined to try to get hold of a V5 from a cat c or d write off.

[dhutch]

I have no knowlage of the system, but in my mind it would be careless not to require a car to be lost, for a new one to be born out of its donership.
- That said, i wouldnt supprise me if it was possable eather!


Daniel

[Vortice01]

Has anyone gone through this process recently? What evidence do you need to show the DVLA guy in order to obtain an age related plate? I understand you need photos to prove that you built the car yourself, but do you need photos of the donor, stripping it down etc, or just provide the V5?

Once you have stripped down the donor, how can you get rid of the shell while keeping the V5 active in your name, because surely the disposal people who come to collect the shell will want the V5 or if not, they will want to transfer it into their name?

Thanks Guys,

John

Edited by Vortice01 on Saturday 28th March 11:09

[gingerpaul]

The DVLA don't need anything other than the V5 for the car and a statement from you saying what came off it. I got my shell taken away without them taking the V5 so that's possible too. You might want to put a SORN on it though so you don't get done for avoiding road tax.

[Vortice01]

Thanks GP. My worry was that once you get the scrappers to collect your car, it is essentially theirs, so they could then request a V5.

Regards,

John

[Steve_D]

Get the donor transferred into your name then put it on SORN.

On a kit I did years ago I cut the VIN number out of the body and removed the VIN plate before the body went for scrap.
Then if challenged by DVLA that because it has not been officially scrapped it could have been put back on the road you can slap the lumps of metal on the counter and prove that it cannot have been done legally on that VIN number.

Take photos of everything including stripping the donor. Photo of you holding the VIN number beside the hole etc. it all helps.
Photos of your build are very important to demonstrate your amateur build status so no professional 4-post lifts etc. in the background. Possibly other cars owned by you in the background. Cats, dogs, kids (and adults) going Broom-Broom behind an imaginary steering wheel. On my last build I sent 7 A4 sheets with 9 photos on each.

Steve

[gingerpaul]

Aren't the pictures to satisfy the VOSA of it being an amateur build though, not the DVLA?

[Steve_D]

My suggestion covers both.

VOSA for amateur build status.

DVLA will need convincing that the donor vehicle is not going to reappear on the road. When I did my Dakar the Range Rover chassis gets modified so has to have a new chassis number. They wanted the new number stamped in and the old number to have a line through it so they could check that it was the donor I said it was. When it was registered they took the donor V5 off me.

Steve

[gingerpaul]

Aha, I getcha now.