Registering a single seater for road use
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I have recently bought a reynard 88D F3000 single seater racing car converted to run a sierra cosworth YB motor.
I remember a few years ago a japanese guy actually road registered one of these ( does anyone have any info on that car)
Anyway what would be the minimum add ons to such a car to get it road legal- at a rough guess
wheel covers
handbrake
horn
indicators
brake lights
speedo
what else?
is there a requirement for lights other than for the brakes?
should be quite unique if I attempted it. Main reason being that single seaters can no longer attend track days in there normal configeration.
Would like to hear your comments
cheers
PAUL
I remember a few years ago a japanese guy actually road registered one of these ( does anyone have any info on that car)
Anyway what would be the minimum add ons to such a car to get it road legal- at a rough guess
wheel covers
handbrake
horn
indicators
brake lights
speedo
what else?
is there a requirement for lights other than for the brakes?
should be quite unique if I attempted it. Main reason being that single seaters can no longer attend track days in there normal configeration.
Would like to hear your comments
cheers
PAUL
How old is the car and can you prove it's age? If it's less than 10 years old it should have to pass an SVA test (and everything that goes with it!) If it's more than 10 years old you can just get it an MOT but you'll be responsible for ensuring that it complies with the Construction & Use and the Road Vehicle Lighting regs. The latter can be a bit of a problem because the lights have to meet minimum height requirements (about 500m above the ground for a dipped-beam headlamp) and this can look really daft on a single seater!
Paul
If you can prove it’s age Avocet is right, you should be able to get it registered without SVA. Having said this, you’ll have to argue as SpartanAndy found out. The registration offices will always insist on SVA unless you show them why you don’t need it.
However, unless you’ve got the original bill for the car when it was new, you’ll not be able to prove its age to the satisfaction of the registration office.
If you can prove its age, you don’t necessarily have to have lights.
Den.
If you can prove it’s age Avocet is right, you should be able to get it registered without SVA. Having said this, you’ll have to argue as SpartanAndy found out. The registration offices will always insist on SVA unless you show them why you don’t need it.
However, unless you’ve got the original bill for the car when it was new, you’ll not be able to prove its age to the satisfaction of the registration office.
If you can prove its age, you don’t necessarily have to have lights.
Den.
If you are able to just MOT it as mentioned above, do consider the little know feature that is a "daylight MOT"..Yep, it's real, although your MOT tester may even need convincing. The lights are not tested, except brakes....but of course you can't use is when it's dark - DOH! Obviously.
With regards to the "if older than 10 years then just get an MOT comment" (sorry if this is not what was said)...but if the car was NEVER road registered, then surely it Does need an SVA, just like buying an old unfinished kit - isn't it?
DEN, ARE YOU THERE? You know this SVA stuff.
With regards to the "if older than 10 years then just get an MOT comment" (sorry if this is not what was said)...but if the car was NEVER road registered, then surely it Does need an SVA, just like buying an old unfinished kit - isn't it?
DEN, ARE YOU THERE? You know this SVA stuff.
mattstead said:
do consider the little know feature that is a "daylight MOT"..Yep, it's real, although your MOT tester may even need convincing. The lights are not tested, except brakes....but of course you can't use is when it's dark - DOH! Obviously.
Exactly as understand the situation, only expressed better than my pathetic attempt above. They don’t do daylight SVA’s any more though (they did at the start).mattstead said:As I said above, I believe that if it can be proved to have been built before 1st July 1998, then it can be registered on the basis that would have applied then. However it’s going to be hard to get a build date and I’m not absolutely certain that I’m right anyway.
With regards to the "if older than 10 years then just get an MOT comment" (sorry if this is not what was said)...but if the car was NEVER road registered, then surely it Does need an SVA, just like buying an old unfinished kit - isn't it?
DEN, ARE YOU THERE? You know this SVA stuff.
Troubled about your seeking my opinion. This isn’t an ambush is it
? Den
mattstead said:Daylight MOT’s are still available, I believe. But if the lights are fitted they have to work.
Your opinion still counts with me Den.
I'm shocked by the daylight SVA bit, is that SVA's only or MOTs as well? I wanted an mot on my road registered racecar with no headlights (weight saving).
Tell you what though, I reckon I’m wrong on the registration issue. I think you’re right. If it wasn’t registered when it should have been, I think it’s SVA. Stop!
Bullshit alert! Den
IIRC the age has no bearing on whether SVA is required or not, it is how the vehicle has been constructed. If it uses the cars original chassis, like mine does, no SVA is required. If it is a custom made chassis i.e. one supplied by the kit manufacturer SVA is definately required. This is my understanding of the SVA rules.
For more info try madabout kitcars web site, he also posts on this forum under the guise jgmadabout, you can also try totalkitcar.com which is an online mag that has a whole section related solely to SVA in addition there is STATUS although they mainly work with manufacturers I did speak to prof somebody at donnington show ref mine car (see den did lots of research unfortunately after I bought the car, have learnt for next time) and he was ver helpful#
HTH
For more info try madabout kitcars web site, he also posts on this forum under the guise jgmadabout, you can also try totalkitcar.com which is an online mag that has a whole section related solely to SVA in addition there is STATUS although they mainly work with manufacturers I did speak to prof somebody at donnington show ref mine car (see den did lots of research unfortunately after I bought the car, have learnt for next time) and he was ver helpful#
HTH
dontlift said:
Reynard, should be able to supply you with the build date etc from the chassis number, as these are required if you were to race the car, as some classes require build before certain dates etc
This might prove a bit tricky as I they went bust about 18 months ago. However most racing cars have a plaque attached to the chassis somewhere which would say the type No. and year of manufacture I would think. Surely this would be proof of age?
thanks for all the replies.
The car was built in 1988 but no longer has its original plates as it had a tub change at some stage in its life.
Reynard are but a distant memory now so thats not an option either, although I could get a race car specialist to confirm that it is a 88D and that such cars were only built in 1988.
I guess SVA would be a bitch to get, I had hoped for the daylight clause given that it would look quite unsightly with headlights.
Still I am always up for a challenge, I recently managed to register my 3dr cosworth as a new car
(Y2K RS is its reg number) so wont let a few pen pushers stop me.
cheers
PAUL
The car was built in 1988 but no longer has its original plates as it had a tub change at some stage in its life.
Reynard are but a distant memory now so thats not an option either, although I could get a race car specialist to confirm that it is a 88D and that such cars were only built in 1988.
I guess SVA would be a bitch to get, I had hoped for the daylight clause given that it would look quite unsightly with headlights.
Still I am always up for a challenge, I recently managed to register my 3dr cosworth as a new car
(Y2K RS is its reg number) so wont let a few pen pushers stop me.
cheers
PAUL
The "Daylight SVA" was withdrawn in anticipation of a change to the Road Vehicle Lighting Regs (which are where the dispensation is contained). As far as I am aware, they have NOT been changed yet and YES, the daylight MOT does still exist (I only have a copy of the manual dated August 2001 at home but it does in that one anyway!)
SVA does NOT (definitely!) apply to vehicles over 10 years old - the fact that it has never been road -registered is not relevant. Take the example of someone importing a 1956 MG that had never been registered here from California - they wouldn't make it do SVA!!! Likewise if you found an un-registered classic car in a museum or barn or something and wanted to register it here, you wouldn't have to do SVA if you could prove it was manufactured over 10 years ago. The DVLA will consider any evidence you can provide as to the age of the car. If Reynard can't provide a letter because they don't exist, the DVLA often considers something in writing from an "enthusiasts' club". They do this with classic cars where the manufacturer is no longer in business. Talk to your Local DVLA Office and ask what they will accept - maybe there's some sort of club who could date it for you (BRSCC? RACMSA?). I wouldn't be too worried about the fact that it has had a new tub because lots of old cars will have had bits replaced and the DVLA only have certian "buzz" words like "chassis" or "monocoque bodyshell" that ring alarm bells. I don't think "tub" will mean much to them and I wouldn't overplay it's significance (if you see what I mean...)!
SVA does NOT (definitely!) apply to vehicles over 10 years old - the fact that it has never been road -registered is not relevant. Take the example of someone importing a 1956 MG that had never been registered here from California - they wouldn't make it do SVA!!! Likewise if you found an un-registered classic car in a museum or barn or something and wanted to register it here, you wouldn't have to do SVA if you could prove it was manufactured over 10 years ago. The DVLA will consider any evidence you can provide as to the age of the car. If Reynard can't provide a letter because they don't exist, the DVLA often considers something in writing from an "enthusiasts' club". They do this with classic cars where the manufacturer is no longer in business. Talk to your Local DVLA Office and ask what they will accept - maybe there's some sort of club who could date it for you (BRSCC? RACMSA?). I wouldn't be too worried about the fact that it has had a new tub because lots of old cars will have had bits replaced and the DVLA only have certian "buzz" words like "chassis" or "monocoque bodyshell" that ring alarm bells. I don't think "tub" will mean much to them and I wouldn't overplay it's significance (if you see what I mean...)!
Hi Guys.
To my knowledge (daylight MOT) still applies. But all unregistered, Kit Cars, Amateur Built, Etc cars are subject to SVA regardless of age. The only exceptions being vehicles using an original UNMODIFIED chassis or monocoque of a PREVIOUSLY registered vehicle, Whereby you can retain the donors registration.
Sorry Chris
To my knowledge (daylight MOT) still applies. But all unregistered, Kit Cars, Amateur Built, Etc cars are subject to SVA regardless of age. The only exceptions being vehicles using an original UNMODIFIED chassis or monocoque of a PREVIOUSLY registered vehicle, Whereby you can retain the donors registration.
Sorry Chris
No they're not!!!!!!!!!!!!
(cars over 10 yrs old required to do SVA that is!)
This comes from the foreword in the Inspection Manual:
..."will need to obtain a Minister's Approval Cetificate (MAC) except the following:
Motor Caravans
Motor Ambulances
A vehicle which has been issued with a Minister's Approval Certificate under GB National Type Approval
A vehicle which has been issued with an EC Certificate of Conformity
A vehicle which has been issued with a Minister's Approval Certificate on the basis that it has been suitably approved and registered in another EEA Member State
A VEHICLE WHICH IS AT LEAST 10 YEARS OLD
A vehicle used by a member of a "visiting force"."
Honestly, cars that can be proved to be over 10 years old don't need to do an SVA!
The donor chassis bit is also true by the way - this is because the DVLA thinks it is the same car (?!) and as it is already registered, they wouldn't be able to make you do the test.
(cars over 10 yrs old required to do SVA that is!)
This comes from the foreword in the Inspection Manual:
..."will need to obtain a Minister's Approval Cetificate (MAC) except the following:
Motor Caravans
Motor Ambulances
A vehicle which has been issued with a Minister's Approval Certificate under GB National Type Approval
A vehicle which has been issued with an EC Certificate of Conformity
A vehicle which has been issued with a Minister's Approval Certificate on the basis that it has been suitably approved and registered in another EEA Member State
A VEHICLE WHICH IS AT LEAST 10 YEARS OLD
A vehicle used by a member of a "visiting force"."
Honestly, cars that can be proved to be over 10 years old don't need to do an SVA!
The donor chassis bit is also true by the way - this is because the DVLA thinks it is the same car (?!) and as it is already registered, they wouldn't be able to make you do the test.
Its looking good then for a simple daylight mot, I can get it confimed from lots of reputable sources that it is an 88d model and that such cars were only made in 1988.
Should be fun baiting superbikes on the motorway - just have to put it all back together now!!!
thanks for all the input, I will post up how I get on once its finished
cheers
PAUL
Should be fun baiting superbikes on the motorway - just have to put it all back together now!!!
thanks for all the input, I will post up how I get on once its finished
cheers
PAUL
SO I guess this means that I will not have to SVA my next project, a 1985 unfinished Eagle RV? Provided I can prove it's age! Gassing Station | Kit Cars | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff