Is this a Westfield?
Is this a Westfield?
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rdodger

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1,089 posts

227 months

Thursday 25th March 2010
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On Ebay. I'm no expert but is this really a Westfield?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WESTFIELD-ZX9R-QUALITY-UNFIN...

groomi

9,330 posts

267 months

Thursday 25th March 2010
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No idea about the chassis as I didn't build mine so haven't seen it unclothed, but that bonnet is the Westfield FW400 style which is becoming popular.

rdodger

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1,089 posts

227 months

Thursday 25th March 2010
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It was the wishbones especially that made me think it wasn't. Then the chassis generally.

Edited by rdodger on Thursday 25th March 22:48

grumbas

1,107 posts

215 months

Friday 26th March 2010
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I've not really examined mine that closely but the wishbones don't look right as you say, nor does the distance between the nosecone and wheels.

The other clue is the pedalbox is completely different to mine. On mine the top down engine view above the drivers footwell is empty with the brake master cylinder located much lower down, roughly in line with the engine sump.

Also the general quality of construction, particularly the chassis around the engine just doesn't look in the same league.

Mine is a 2002 Zetec based car though so there may be differences to their BEC models, but I'd be amazed if the bits mentioned change between models.

jamesG20V6

873 posts

281 months

Friday 26th March 2010
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No.

hairykrishna

14,395 posts

227 months

Friday 26th March 2010
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The seller seems adamant that it is. I have my doubts though.

jamesG20V6

873 posts

281 months

Friday 26th March 2010
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It isn't.
That back end looks like de dion, westfield are live axle or irs. The rest of it ain't westfield either, except possibbly the nosecone.


Milky Bar Kid

137 posts

199 months

Friday 26th March 2010
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The front suspension looks very similar to the Indy, although the chassis isn't theirs. Could it be a locost, but with some mods to accept sierra uprights and the de-dion back end?

jamesG20V6

873 posts

281 months

Friday 26th March 2010
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Deliberately misleading is the term. Some innocent poor sod is going to get a shock when he phones westfield and tries to get parts for it.

spyder dryver

1,330 posts

240 months

Friday 26th March 2010
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As already mooted, the wishbones look like Indy ones. Westfield don't do de Dion back end. Steering rack would be escort if it was a westy. That one isn't.Is it a Sierra one?
The seat runners are welded to the floor. This suggests a steel floor, so could be an MK chassis, they can have steel floors.
My guess is that it is an MK chassis with FW bodywork.
Geoff.

Furyblade_Lee

4,114 posts

248 months

Friday 26th March 2010
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Just sent him a message asking if it has a Westfield chassis plate. Its apparently an SDV Westy chassis, but do not think it will be that different?

spyder dryver

1,330 posts

240 months

Friday 26th March 2010
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The SDV chassis looks nothing like that. The cockpit side rails are straight, not curved. The wishbones are straight, not curved. The floors should be ally.
ETC..
And the SDV would have been intended for a Sierra engine, not a Zetec as he says.

Edited by spyder dryver on Friday 26th March 13:42

hairykrishna

14,395 posts

227 months

Friday 26th March 2010
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He told me it was a SEiW. Is that the same thing or is he failing to keep his story straight? I'm no westy expert...

motco

17,415 posts

270 months

Friday 26th March 2010
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Mine is an SEiW and that looks nothing like it.

This is a Westfield chassis



Edited by motco on Friday 26th March 14:52


Edited by motco on Friday 26th March 14:52

Kevp

588 posts

275 months

Friday 26th March 2010
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Its an MK dedion chassis. Thats not to say other Lo-Cost chassis arnt the same.


Furyblade_Lee

4,114 posts

248 months

Friday 26th March 2010
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His reply via e-bay: "Hi, no chassis plate but a reciept from Westfield". Maybe for the nosecone?? Maybe could be a good car, but without a Westfield chassis plate it will NEVER be a Westfield. Personally i'd steer clear if only for the fact he is misleading in his wording.

Edited by Furyblade_Lee on Friday 26th March 20:18

Milky Bar Kid

137 posts

199 months

Friday 26th March 2010
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Do Westfield sell locost chassis?

If that is an MK, then the engine bay brace bar look wrong, as it should be welded in and not what looks like a bolt in affair. The diff mounts are Mk though, so maybe a CEC chassis converted to BEC use?

Martin Keene

11,144 posts

249 months

Friday 26th March 2010
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As others have said, that is not a Westfield.

FWIW, it doesn't appear to be a bad chassis, from what can be seen in the pictures, just don't pay Westfield money for it.

If in doubt when looking for a Westfield, make a note of the chassis number and ring the factory. The are very happy to confirm the true identity of their cars, and can also tell you if it was a starter kit, module kit, factory built, etc.

Auntieroll

543 posts

208 months

Saturday 27th March 2010
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FWIW,the early alloy bodied "Pre-lit" cars did have the curved upper front wishbones,as did the Eleven and some of the early SE's.
The rear was definitely live axle only ,its just possible that the rear has been modified to DD type suspension.
The early chassis used to have the stamped steel chassis number plate welded to the vertical face of the tube that ran above the gearbox IIRC,along with another which could be viewed with the car on a ramp (possibly on the cross tube under the gearbox,Its 20 years ago after all!) could be worth asking if that/those is there, and if so,what is the number stamped on the welded plate.
The tubes running round the back to attach the alloy bodywork to may have been a later addition to an ordinary early SE chassis.
This would make the chassis around 15 years old at least!(assuming it was a genuine Westfield to start with,that is).
If everyone is worried about the potential for some innocent soul being ripped off,perhaps contacting eBay about counterfeit products being sold would be an option.(After ascertaining that the chassis number is not on the relevant tube)

singlecoil

35,805 posts

270 months

Saturday 27th March 2010
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Auntieroll said:
If everyone is worried about the potential for some innocent soul being ripped off,perhaps contacting eBay about counterfeit products being sold would be an option.
One would think so, but I've often tried to get ringer cars (more recent cars registered as Duttons, for instance) removed from ebay and it hasn't happened.