Do I need a MoT?
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Bought a freshly SVA'd kit car last June and registered it and taxed it in June. So the tax is now due. Went to my local MoT station a couple of weeks ago and the tester there, who I've known for years, looked at my V5 and said I didn't need a MoT. It says on the V5 "first registered 27 June 2009" and though it's based on an '88 Sierra and is on a F plate, he says it doesn't have to be MoT'd.
I've looked on the VOSA website and can't really see the answer and I've tried phoning them but gave up after pressing this button then that one and getting answerphones in Delhi, Calcutta, Bangalore and Bradford.
So anyone know for sure?
I've looked on the VOSA website and can't really see the answer and I've tried phoning them but gave up after pressing this button then that one and getting answerphones in Delhi, Calcutta, Bangalore and Bradford.
So anyone know for sure?
Not at home at the moment but back at the weekend and if the renewal note is there then of course I'll try to do it online and I guess it'll either accept it or not. But it would be nice to know in advance so that I can book an MoT if needed. You try to get an MoT on a Saturday without pre booking
ColinM50 said:
Not at home at the moment but back at the weekend and if the renewal note is there then of course I'll try to do it online and I guess it'll either accept it or not. But it would be nice to know in advance so that I can book an MoT if needed. You try to get an MoT on a Saturday without pre booking
You won't need the renewal note, there's a reference number on the V5 you can tax it on (online)
No, you don't.I've just been through this (well, couple of months ago) with the Caterham. It's even more complicated there as it's a 2001 car only SVA'd last year. Anyway, the short story is that the post office was a bit awkward and reffered me to the local DVLA office which put the tax through (having seen the V5 with SVA confirmation) without any trouble at all. So, no, you don't need an MOT for the first three years.
My understanding is that if the car is SVA/IVA'd and registered as a new vehicle then no MOT for 3 years. This is because the car is made from all new parts (with the exception that one major part can be re-manufactured).
If the car is SVA/IVA'd and registered as a kit conversion using donor parts then an MOT is required even for initial registration and then every year onward. The reason for the difference is that IVA will look at a track rod end and decide if it is suitable for the vehicle you have created but does not check its condition. The MOT does not care if the TRE is a suitable part only that it is not worn.
If you build a vehicle from donor parts then I am in full agreement that for mine and everyone's safety it should be MOT'd.
Having explained why the OP should have an MOT does not get around the fact that DVLA seem to mess this up all to often and allow vehicle to avoid the MOT.
Consider the TRE for a moment, It has served its time on a Cortina until the current owner considered the vehicle to be beyond its best. The vehicle is then sold as a donor possibly because the TRE, amongst other items, failed its last MOT. Without any further refurbishment those parts are now going on the road for another 3 years before they are again inspected.
Very worrying.
Steve
If the car is SVA/IVA'd and registered as a kit conversion using donor parts then an MOT is required even for initial registration and then every year onward. The reason for the difference is that IVA will look at a track rod end and decide if it is suitable for the vehicle you have created but does not check its condition. The MOT does not care if the TRE is a suitable part only that it is not worn.
If you build a vehicle from donor parts then I am in full agreement that for mine and everyone's safety it should be MOT'd.
Having explained why the OP should have an MOT does not get around the fact that DVLA seem to mess this up all to often and allow vehicle to avoid the MOT.
Consider the TRE for a moment, It has served its time on a Cortina until the current owner considered the vehicle to be beyond its best. The vehicle is then sold as a donor possibly because the TRE, amongst other items, failed its last MOT. Without any further refurbishment those parts are now going on the road for another 3 years before they are again inspected.
Very worrying.
Steve
^^^^^^ This was also my understanding of it. All new parts otherwise no MOT holiday. However, no newly built car should have any problems with an MOT, I'd have thought. Personally, I'd say a regular inspection on any newly built car would be sensible, however new or old the parts.
I had a bolt fall out of one my front callipers about 10 miles after leaving the SVA test centre with a pass certificate. I like to think I'm a bit more thorough these days, buts its still easy to miss one!
I had a bolt fall out of one my front callipers about 10 miles after leaving the SVA test centre with a pass certificate. I like to think I'm a bit more thorough these days, buts its still easy to miss one!
My car was SVA'd in 2008 and is on a Q plate.
I recently tried to tax on line and it wouldn't let me as it said there was no MOT
Rang the DVLA who advised that as it was first registered in 2008 it did not need an MOT, but that irrespective of this I would not be able to tax on line as the system will not recognise this.
I was advised to go to my local post office and if I had any problems to complete a form, cannot remember the number of the form at the moment
Young lady at the post office wasn't happy about this when I explained and shouted for advice from an older lady who was in a room at the back, she shouted out "is it a kit car", to which I replied yes, and she just said OK that's fine give him is tax
I recently tried to tax on line and it wouldn't let me as it said there was no MOT
Rang the DVLA who advised that as it was first registered in 2008 it did not need an MOT, but that irrespective of this I would not be able to tax on line as the system will not recognise this.
I was advised to go to my local post office and if I had any problems to complete a form, cannot remember the number of the form at the moment
Young lady at the post office wasn't happy about this when I explained and shouted for advice from an older lady who was in a room at the back, she shouted out "is it a kit car", to which I replied yes, and she just said OK that's fine give him is tax
Thanks chaps.
Singlecoil, thanks, I'll try it on-line when I get home on Thursday and have got all the paperwork in front of me though Alan T says he was turned down on-line but OK in the Post Office. So I'll do the same. On-line first then P.O. then if that fails, I've managed to book an MoT for Sat morning but I need to do a little bit of work to get it through an MoT. Nothing major, I've got a brake light not working and it's not the bulb so I need to get underneath and check the wiring and ......as you well know, it all takes time.
Chris71, terrific news and exactly what I wanted to hear. Someone who done it.
SteveD and Rothgo, thanks for replying but you're a bit wide of the mark. My car was SVA'd last year and first registered and taxed last June and definitely didn't have an MoT then. It's built from donor parts but not on a Q, it's got an (F) age related plate since most bits came from a 88 Sierra. You've just interpreted the "rules" wrongly, but that's OK, we all live and learn.
AlanT as I said in my repoly to Singlecoil, I'll try on-line fiorst then P.O. as a second resort. Thanks for the idea.
And again, thanks to you all for your help and advice, I'll let you know what happens.
Singlecoil, thanks, I'll try it on-line when I get home on Thursday and have got all the paperwork in front of me though Alan T says he was turned down on-line but OK in the Post Office. So I'll do the same. On-line first then P.O. then if that fails, I've managed to book an MoT for Sat morning but I need to do a little bit of work to get it through an MoT. Nothing major, I've got a brake light not working and it's not the bulb so I need to get underneath and check the wiring and ......as you well know, it all takes time.
Chris71, terrific news and exactly what I wanted to hear. Someone who done it.
SteveD and Rothgo, thanks for replying but you're a bit wide of the mark. My car was SVA'd last year and first registered and taxed last June and definitely didn't have an MoT then. It's built from donor parts but not on a Q, it's got an (F) age related plate since most bits came from a 88 Sierra. You've just interpreted the "rules" wrongly, but that's OK, we all live and learn.
AlanT as I said in my repoly to Singlecoil, I'll try on-line fiorst then P.O. as a second resort. Thanks for the idea.
And again, thanks to you all for your help and advice, I'll let you know what happens.
Edited by ColinM50 on Wednesday 16th June 10:29
Edited by ColinM50 on Wednesday 16th June 10:34
ColinM50 said:
SteveD and Rothgo, thanks for replying but you're a bit wide of the mark. My car was SVA'd last year and first registered and taxed last June and definitely didn't have an MoT then. It's built from donor parts but not on a Q, it's got an (F) age related plate since most bits came from a 88 Sierra. You've just interpreted the "rules" wrongly, but that's OK, we all live and learn.
I think I wrote it off and rebuilt it twice during my MOT holiday period, so probably for the best. My MOT ran out in April, but the car was IVA in November. I only had 6 months tax on it. I re-taxed online for this month & didnt need an MOT. Car is a Q & whatever new/refurbished parts I may of got during the build, could be up to 10y old anyway. Despite this i know the car needs an MOT & believe the DVLA are not really tuned into the kit car thing fully.
ColinM50 said:
........SteveD and Rothgo, thanks for replying but you're a bit wide of the mark. My car was SVA'd last year and first registered and taxed last June and definitely didn't have an MoT then. It's built from donor parts but not on a Q, it's got an (F) age related plate since most bits came from a 88 Sierra. You've just interpreted the "rules" wrongly, but that's OK, we all live and learn..............
All IMHO of course but no I don't believe I have misinterpreted the rules.Yes your car could have been either Q plate or age related as it was built from donor parts. On that basis it should have had an MOT but your DVLA office failed to insist on this and mark your V5 accordingly. As you will see in my reply I do state that they seem to do this all to frequently.
Your own admission that your car will not pass an MOT is clear evidence to me that allowing a car built from old parts to go for three years without test is not a good idea.
If you manage to tax it on line without an MOT will you do anything to make your car road legal or just leave it with defective lights and whatever else may be lurking?
Steve
Steve
Ooh a bit strong SeteveD, you make it sound like the car's death on wheels. It's got one brake light not working, hardly a wreck is it? How many cars do you see on the road with bald tyres, defective brakes and bits hanging off them? This is hardly in the same category is it?
Anyway, here's THE FACTS and not just what someone thinks the law says or thinks the law should say.
Just got home and the V11 form was waiting for me. The V11 is the form you get sent by the DVLA telling you your tax is due for renewal and it gives you the option to renew on-line or at the Post Office.
I know I said in an earlier messsage that I'd try it on-line first but it was just as easy to pop down the Post Office. So that's what I did.
Took the V11, my V5 and insurance ceetificate to my local P.O. and asked the nice lady there if I could tax it or did I need a MoT? She looked at the V11 and V5 and said, "no, you don't need a MoT to tax it, if you do need a MoT it will say so on the V11 and there's nothing there".
So she gave me a nice new shiny tax disc to run from July 1 for a year for the paltry sum of £205. Bargain eh? Not
And I've got another two years before, rightly or wrongly,I need a MoT
Anyway, here's THE FACTS and not just what someone thinks the law says or thinks the law should say.
Just got home and the V11 form was waiting for me. The V11 is the form you get sent by the DVLA telling you your tax is due for renewal and it gives you the option to renew on-line or at the Post Office.
I know I said in an earlier messsage that I'd try it on-line first but it was just as easy to pop down the Post Office. So that's what I did.
Took the V11, my V5 and insurance ceetificate to my local P.O. and asked the nice lady there if I could tax it or did I need a MoT? She looked at the V11 and V5 and said, "no, you don't need a MoT to tax it, if you do need a MoT it will say so on the V11 and there's nothing there".
So she gave me a nice new shiny tax disc to run from July 1 for a year for the paltry sum of £205. Bargain eh? Not
And I've got another two years before, rightly or wrongly,I need a MoT
The FACT that your car got an age related plate proves it wasnt new at registration and thus does not qualify for the MoT exemption.
being able to tax your car because the V5 was wrong wont be a defence if the police catch you... but its your risk to take after all thousands of cars are driven every day without a valid MoT.
correct me if im wrong but isnt your insurance invalid if you dont have a current MoT?
being able to tax your car because the V5 was wrong wont be a defence if the police catch you... but its your risk to take after all thousands of cars are driven every day without a valid MoT.
correct me if im wrong but isnt your insurance invalid if you dont have a current MoT?
I've found the DVLA mostly don't know the finer details of the rules. Trying to get a straight answer from them on the phone shortly after the SVA came in was nigh on impossible. In the end I was sent a few contradicting pamphlets, choose the one that suited my needs best and kept it in the car while driving without plates to get it set up and MOT'd. On one journey to my chosen private tarmac area, I was spotted by the rozzers and dutifully pulled over. Whip out the pamphlet, point at the paragraph saying I can do it, they read it and send me on my way.
Sorry, I drifted wildly from the point... any-hoo... The contracted software designer responsible for the website probably knew less than the DVLA experts. It could well just be an oversight/bug, rather than proof of the actual rules.
Sorry, I drifted wildly from the point... any-hoo... The contracted software designer responsible for the website probably knew less than the DVLA experts. It could well just be an oversight/bug, rather than proof of the actual rules.
Edited by Rothgo Wooft on Thursday 17th June 18:33
As i understand it you will need an MOT three years after first registration, age registered plate has nothing to do with it, you get one of those if a certain amount of parts came from one donor i:e 1985 sierra = B plate, you can have a new reg if all parts are new ( with receipts to prove ) and a Q if parts are of indeterminate age, at least thats how it was when i SVAd mine.
When my reminder for tax came i just went to my local post office and taxed it no questions asked.
When my reminder for tax came i just went to my local post office and taxed it no questions asked.
See the car in my profile pic ? Written off, on a Q under three years on road but over one, no MOT, paid out rebuilt and now residing in Holland somewhere, I'm sure had some of the above been fact then the insurance would have told me where to get off and rightly so they dont send assessors out for the claimants benefit, the one's with the tread depth gauge, magnifying glass to go over the paperwork etc ?
Its a grey area, some prefer a age related plate, emissions, some prefer a Q even better emissions, some prefer new reg, dont mean its all new parts though, that mates receipt for the engine work is usually enough to cut it though.
All that said 99.9% of the kits I have seen would sail through an MOT anyhow, kit owners by and large tend to take much better care of the pride and joy and as for the 15 year old track rod end that caused a sierra to fail finding its way onto a kit ? Don't think so even if such a part visually looked sound I for one cant imagine a builder not fitting new during the build for the sake of a fiver ?
I dont think there's any MOT avoidance going on here its is genuinely a grey area, can someone point me to the legislation that states a MOT is required, DVLA cant ?
eta, my current car does have a current MOT should anyone wrongly assume I love to flout the law on MOT's.
Its a grey area, some prefer a age related plate, emissions, some prefer a Q even better emissions, some prefer new reg, dont mean its all new parts though, that mates receipt for the engine work is usually enough to cut it though.
All that said 99.9% of the kits I have seen would sail through an MOT anyhow, kit owners by and large tend to take much better care of the pride and joy and as for the 15 year old track rod end that caused a sierra to fail finding its way onto a kit ? Don't think so even if such a part visually looked sound I for one cant imagine a builder not fitting new during the build for the sake of a fiver ?
I dont think there's any MOT avoidance going on here its is genuinely a grey area, can someone point me to the legislation that states a MOT is required, DVLA cant ?
eta, my current car does have a current MOT should anyone wrongly assume I love to flout the law on MOT's.
Edited by Jon Ison on Thursday 17th June 22:04
hal 1 said:
As i understand it you will need an MOT three years after first registration, age registered plate has nothing to do with it,
Exactly. If someone buys a "new" car that was actually manufactured a year ago, but only just registered that doesn't mean they only have 2 MOT-free years left.Gassing Station | Kit Cars | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff