Similar performance to KTM X-Bow

[craggers]

As I had driven two laps on KTM X-Bow at the weekend and thought it was brilliant fun to drive.

Which kits do similar drive and performance (not the look !!) would I think the BEC Seven will the best answer or even CEC seven will do the same job?

[surrey7er]

What specifically did u like about the xbow? Will help get the right answer

[craggers]

the power of it (sharp acceleration) and very very good grip!

[surrey7er]

There are kit car options aplenty with similar levels of performance. Set up is very important, and beyond that, personal taste and budget are the main factors. Did u want mid-engined? Whats your budget?

[craggers]

something up to £10k. Can be used on road and track basically

[Sam_68]

craggers said:

the power of it (sharp acceleration) and very very good grip!

A BEC seven will give you very similar performance on paper, but will feel quite different when it comes to the way it accelerates: the x-bow is a (relatively) large capacity turbo engine, which means it has very good low-down torque compared to a bike. Hence if you floor the throttle it has a lot of immediate punch - a BEC needs working hard, with lots of revs, to deliver the goods.

On the other hand, the x-box is a very heavy car, compared to a BEC... the BEC will feel much more nimble.

As Surrey7er says, it depends on what you liked about the x-bow, but a Westfield XTR2 shares the KTM's turbo Audi engine in a mid-mounted installation, so will offer quite similar thrills, or possibly even a Westfield SEight would be a closer match to the KTM's feel in terms of power delivery.

[ajprice]

KTM X-Bow, according to wrongipedia, weights 790kg with a 237bhp VW 2.0 turbo engine - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTM_X-Bow

I'd think that a lot of the sensation of speed from an X-Bow would be because its so open, would something like a VTEC engine GTM Libra coupe give the same effect or are you after a very open car like Caterfield or an MEV Sonic7/Rocket/Exocet?

[craggers]

ajprice said:

KTM X-Bow, according to wrongipedia, weights 790kg with a 237bhp VW 2.0 turbo engine - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTM_X-Bow

I'd think that a lot of the sensation of speed from an X-Bow would be because its so open, would something like a VTEC engine GTM Libra coupe give the same effect or are you after a very open car like Caterfield or an MEV Sonic7/Rocket/Exocet?

Would prefer open car

[craggers]

Sam_68 said:

craggers said:

the power of it (sharp acceleration) and very very good grip!

A BEC seven will give you very similar performance on paper, but will feel quite different when it comes to the way it accelerates: the x-bow is a (relatively) large capacity turbo engine, which means it has very good low-down torque compared to a bike. Hence if you floor the throttle it has a lot of immediate punch - a BEC needs working hard, with lots of revs, to deliver the goods.

On the other hand, the x-box is a very heavy car, compared to a BEC... the BEC will feel much more nimble.

As Surrey7er says, it depends on what you liked about the x-bow, but a Westfield XTR2 shares the KTM's turbo Audi engine in a mid-mounted installation, so will offer quite similar thrills, or possibly even a Westfield SEight would be a closer match to the KTM's feel in terms of power delivery.

So you are saying that modern car engine in seven will be much better than bike version because of torque ? I certainly felt the punch which I think the reason I liked X-Bow's.

[Sam_68]

craggers said:

So you are saying that modern car engine in seven will be much better than bike version because of torque ? I certainly felt the punch which I think the reason I liked X-Bow's.

Hell, no! I wouldn't dare - Jon Ison would probably take out a contract on me if I said something like that again!

Not necessarily better, just very different.

I personally don't 'get' BEC's for road use (though they can be bloody good fun on track), but then I don't really get large-capacity or turbo 'Sevens' either... for me, too much torque overwhelms the purity of the chassis responses on such cars.

I'm a bit middle-of-the-road; I prefer moderate capacity (1.6 - 2 litre) nat. asp. car engines, but you need to experience the different cars to decide which you like best... drive a Westfield SEight back-to-back with a Westfield Megablade and you'll discover how astonishingly different in feel the two extremes can be, even in cars that are visually identical.

Edited by Sam_68 on Monday 22 November 13:11

[ArtVandelay]

craggers said:

Sam_68 said:

craggers said:

the power of it (sharp acceleration) and very very good grip!

A BEC seven will give you very similar performance on paper, but will feel quite different when it comes to the way it accelerates: the x-bow is a (relatively) large capacity turbo engine, which means it has very good low-down torque compared to a bike. Hence if you floor the throttle it has a lot of immediate punch - a BEC needs working hard, with lots of revs, to deliver the goods.

On the other hand, the x-box is a very heavy car, compared to a BEC... the BEC will feel much more nimble.

As Surrey7er says, it depends on what you liked about the x-bow, but a Westfield XTR2 shares the KTM's turbo Audi engine in a mid-mounted installation, so will offer quite similar thrills, or possibly even a Westfield SEight would be a closer match to the KTM's feel in terms of power delivery.

So you are saying that modern car engine in seven will be much better than bike version because of torque ? I certainly felt the punch which I think the reason I liked X-Bow's.

There's a kit car company doing X-Bow replicas at the moment, finished price should be about the same as that of a 7 (from what I've read anyway). Not sure on the engine choices though.

[craggers]

ArtVandelay said:

craggers said:

Sam_68 said:

craggers said:

the power of it (sharp acceleration) and very very good grip!

A BEC seven will give you very similar performance on paper, but will feel quite different when it comes to the way it accelerates: the x-bow is a (relatively) large capacity turbo engine, which means it has very good low-down torque compared to a bike. Hence if you floor the throttle it has a lot of immediate punch - a BEC needs working hard, with lots of revs, to deliver the goods.

On the other hand, the x-box is a very heavy car, compared to a BEC... the BEC will feel much more nimble.

As Surrey7er says, it depends on what you liked about the x-bow, but a Westfield XTR2 shares the KTM's turbo Audi engine in a mid-mounted installation, so will offer quite similar thrills, or possibly even a Westfield SEight would be a closer match to the KTM's feel in terms of power delivery.

So you are saying that modern car engine in seven will be much better than bike version because of torque ? I certainly felt the punch which I think the reason I liked X-Bow's.

There's a kit car company doing X-Bow replicas at the moment, finished price should be about the same as that of a 7 (from what I've read anyway). Not sure on the engine choices though.

Any chance of knowing which company doing that ?

[craggers]

Sam_68 said:

craggers said:

So you are saying that modern car engine in seven will be much better than bike version because of torque ? I certainly felt the punch which I think the reason I liked X-Bow's.

Hell, no! I wouldn't dare - Jon Ison would probably take out a contract on me if I said something like that again!

Not necessarily better, just very different.

I personally don't 'get' BEC's for road use (though they can be bloody good fun on track), but then I don't really get large-capacity or turbo 'Sevens' either... for me, too much torque overwhelms the purity of the chassis responses on such cars.

I'm a bit middle-of-the-road; I prefer moderate capacity (1.6 - 2 litre) nat. asp. car engines, but you need to experience the different cars to decide which you like best... drive a Westfield SEight back-to-back with a Westfield Megablade and you'll discover how astonishingly different in feel the two extremes can be, even in cars that are visually identical.

Edited by Sam_68 on Monday 22 November 13:11

I think I better try to get ride / drive on all of them.

[ArtVandelay]

craggers said:

ArtVandelay said:

craggers said:

Sam_68 said:

craggers said:

the power of it (sharp acceleration) and very very good grip!

A BEC seven will give you very similar performance on paper, but will feel quite different when it comes to the way it accelerates: the x-bow is a (relatively) large capacity turbo engine, which means it has very good low-down torque compared to a bike. Hence if you floor the throttle it has a lot of immediate punch - a BEC needs working hard, with lots of revs, to deliver the goods.

On the other hand, the x-box is a very heavy car, compared to a BEC... the BEC will feel much more nimble.

As Surrey7er says, it depends on what you liked about the x-bow, but a Westfield XTR2 shares the KTM's turbo Audi engine in a mid-mounted installation, so will offer quite similar thrills, or possibly even a Westfield SEight would be a closer match to the KTM's feel in terms of power delivery.

So you are saying that modern car engine in seven will be much better than bike version because of torque ? I certainly felt the punch which I think the reason I liked X-Bow's.

There's a kit car company doing X-Bow replicas at the moment, finished price should be about the same as that of a 7 (from what I've read anyway). Not sure on the engine choices though.

Any chance of knowing which company doing that ?

The car is called the "Typhoon Valdris"

Edit to add pic

Edited by ArtVandelay on Monday 22 November 15:04

[p1doc]

looks nice and very similar to x-bow!
martin

[qdos]

craggers said:

the power of it (sharp acceleration) and very very good grip!

Just seen this thread

Try the Deronda definately. Will happily go up against a KTM X-bow and Ariel Atom



Demonstrator runs 300bhp (1.8 VAG Turbo) and 667kg

Edited by qdos on Thursday 25th November 09:01

[craggers]

qdos said:

craggers said:

the power of it (sharp acceleration) and very very good grip!

Just seen this thread

Try the Deronda definately. Will happily go up against a KTM X-bow and Ariel Atom



Demonstrator runs 300bhp (1.8 VAG Turbo) and 667kg

Edited by qdos on Thursday 25th November 09:01

I like it ... do you know how much is it for kits ?

[stuleah]

Hi the website is www.typhoonsportscars.co.uk
give them a call.
Edit to say the deronda is £30000+

Edited by stuleah on Friday 26th November 21:01

[singlecoil]

stuleah said:

Edit to say the deronda is £30000+

Edited by stuleah on Friday 26th November 21:01

That seems a lot, are you sure? no prices on their website that I could see.

[Steve_D]

singlecoil said:

stuleah said:

Edit to say the deronda is £30000+

Edited by stuleah on Friday 26th November 21:01

That seems a lot, are you sure? no prices on their website that I could see.

Plucked straight from their price list..
Turn key car,Including donor car (Age related) Iva'd with 6 months road tax

Total £16000

No VAT as NOT vat registered

Steve

Edited by Steve_D on Friday 26th November 23:06