Pilgrim 3000 build manual.....

[andrewws]

Has anyone out there built a Pilgrim 3000 and have a build manual I can borrow/purchase/copy. I believe that Pilgrim are not building this model at present, I have just acquired a part built one and want to complete it.

Maybe this should appear in the classified under 'Wanted' but I will soon be advertising for trim parts etc.

Thanks

[Happy Jim]

Have you tried dropping Den a mail at Pilgrim, he may still have one kicking around in an archive somewhere? worth a shot, and he's very approachable.

Rgds

Jim

[hal 1]

Might be worth asking on the pilgrim owners club site, there's a few 3000 owners who are members that could possibly help

[andrewws]

Thanks, I will start my research tommorrow.

[simon3000]

you will find that build information on these cars is quite scarce.the original build manual was a few sheets of a4 photocopies (sorry ive lost mine,they wernt much use anyway).as hal says sign up on the pilgrim owners web site.
i hope you have all the chassis and body mouldings as den at pilgrim scrapped the jigs and moulds some time ago.
the car is capable of passing iva apart from the windscreen (not e marked)some thought will be required there.
good luck with the build,it is worth the effort.

[andrewws]

hal 1 said:

Might be worth asking on the pilgrim owners club site, there's a few 3000 owners who are members that could possibly help

Well I tried this approach and had to register to join, well after an inordinate amount of time my application has been REJECTED. And to make matters worse they don't even have the courtesy of giving you a reason. Does anyone want to buy a Pilgrim 3000 kit with a galvanised chassis etc. Cos I feel like kicking the whole exercise into touch and go buy a completed Sebring!!!! In my 55 years on this planet I have never been rejected when joining a club, even the square. In fact I would have considered myself to be an enthusiastic contributor, obviously their loss is greater than mine. Hey Ho.

[simon3000]

dont give up on the project if that is the car you want and dont take the web site rejection personally.there had been a big problem with spammers,possibly your email add could have been rejected automatically.if you are going to stonleigh pop on to the club stand we really are a friendly bunch at heart

[andrewws]

simon3000 said:

dont give up on the project if that is the car you want and dont take the web site rejection personally.there had been a big problem with spammers,possibly your email add could have been rejected automatically.if you are going to stonleigh pop on to the club stand we really are a friendly bunch at heart

Thanks for the thought, but it takes seconds for an automatic rejection not a month. The mail came directly from an administrator. I want a Healey replica, and feel I may have bitten off more than I can chew anyway. This is just a nail in the coffin I'm afraid. I am pursuing a Sebring project as well.

It has to be noted that the registration process only asks for an email address and an ID/password nothing else, therefore there must be another reason that I am not aware of. Without joining this bunch I feel that completion of the project will be severely hampered, so classified here I come. Keep a look out. Thanks anyway.

[illyan]

A similar thing happened to me.
A couple of weeks ago, I applied for membership (to join the Pilgrim Car Club), but—nothing. As Andrew said, it only takes a second… The PCC site says to contact the administrator, but when I tried, the Login page appeared telling me that my membership hadn't been confirmed.
Problem 2: I joined the Pilgrim Club Twitter group, but there's been no response.
Problem 3: I e-mailed Pilgrim asking simply if they were still producing the 3000. Nothing.
Problem 4: I joined the Cobra forum specifically to ask the same question—nothing.

If 'they' had the common courtesy to send me a message telling me to get on my bike, I wouldn't mind, but for all these parties to ignore a simple, straightforward request…

Simon3000: if you have the ear of the people in power, could you please forward my comments to them? Thanks. Ian

[andrewws]

illyan said:

A similar thing happened to me.
A couple of weeks ago, I applied for membership (to join the Pilgrim Car Club), but—nothing. As Andrew said, it only takes a second… The PCC site says to contact the administrator, but when I tried, the Login page appeared telling me that my membership hadn't been confirmed.
Problem 2: I joined the Pilgrim Club Twitter group, but there's been no response.
Problem 3: I e-mailed Pilgrim asking simply if they were still producing the 3000. Nothing.
Problem 4: I joined the Cobra forum specifically to ask the same question—nothing.

If 'they' had the common courtesy to send me a message telling me to get on my bike, I wouldn't mind, but for all these parties to ignore a simple, straightforward request…

Simon3000: if you have the ear of the people in power, could you please forward my comments to them? Thanks. Ian

Its not just me then, did you get the 'rejected' note? If not you have that to look forward to (maybe you will get accepted into the order but they are taking their time to CRB check you first, who knows), its a bit blunt. It go's along the lines of : f--k off, Regards Pilgrim-cars.com team.

Maybe it's the model that's the problem, I read somewhere that the moulds had been destroyed. If that is true then it seems a bit of a daft thing to do, the Pilgrim site still lists the car as a product but production has been suspended. But as you say it would be nice to have more communication with anyone really.

Edited by andrewws on Friday 14th January 07:22

[singlecoil]

Is there a particular problem that has cropped up duirng the build? Or do you want the manual for general information? Reason I ask is that in my line of work I see a number of builders' manuals and some of them are next to useless. There's a customer's Pilgrim Sumo manual in my workshop at the moment, and I would have to say that although quite a bit better than nothing at all, it's not much help either. Contrast that with the Westfield manual which is something like 200 pages and includes many line drawings (much better than photographs, as in the Sumo manual).

[andrewws]

singlecoil said:

Is there a particular problem that has cropped up duirng the build? Or do you want the manual for general information? Reason I ask is that in my line of work I see a number of builders' manuals and some of them are next to useless. There's a customer's Pilgrim Sumo manual in my workshop at the moment, and I would have to say that although quite a bit better than nothing at all, it's not much help either. Contrast that with the Westfield manual which is something like 200 pages and includes many line drawings (much better than photographs, as in the Sumo manual).

At present I am assessing what I have taken on, the engine/gearbox/back axle are all in place in a very nice galvanised chassis. The body is also very nice and that is the reason why I took it on. I am really trying to gather information on how to proceed, I have a very basic build manual that is next to useless. It would be nice to see a completed one in the flesh. But that would mean contacting someone in the club that has just rejected me. I am savvy enough with mechanics/electrics/bodywork so I can carry on by myself, the only real problem is the windscreen/glazing and mounting the facia etc. Now I have climbed down from my Jamesons driven rage I will probably carry on regardless. But if anyone out there has a completed one it would be nice to come and have a look. Thanks for your input.

[illyan]

'Its not just me then, did you get the 'rejected' note?'

I've not been rejected—yet.

I have a picture in my head of 'The Committee'. They're sitting at a pub table with pints of foaming ale, wearing tweed jackets and smoking pipes, making judgements about applications. I can imagine a sketch by the Monty Python team; 'What do you think about this one, old chap?' 'Do you think he's good enough?'

This is the second time I've been ignored by Pilgrim. I've always like the Big Healeys, so the Pilgrim 3000 was top of the list, but when I began my project in November 2009 (I have a workshop to finish building first), the Pilgrim web site said 'production suspended until further notice'. I e-mailed Pilgrim and heard nothing.

In other walks of life, the moulds would be a valuable resource and the complex-looking 3000 frame is presumably made in a jig, so what's happened to it? Has it been consigned to a skip? How long does it take to add 'Cancelled' to the web site?.

This page describes how to fit the Haldane windscreen:
http://www.haldane100.com/Windscreen2.aspx

[Roman]

Hi Andrew

I've sent a message to one of the administrators to query the problem.

The Pilgrim car club are a very friendly bunch (Hal 1, Simon 3000 and myself are forum members there) so I can only assume it is a spam filter issue. The forum membership process has recently been changed so there may be an issue there.

[Roman]

illyan said:

This is the second time I've been ignored by Pilgrim. I've always like the Big Healeys, so the Pilgrim 3000 was top of the list, but when I began my project in November 2009 (I have a workshop to finish building first), the Pilgrim web site said 'production suspended until further notice'. I e-mailed Pilgrim and heard nothing.

That's a pity - it would be great to have another 3000 or Haldane in Cumbria!

I really don't know why Pilgrim don't re-release the car as a back to basics 100S replica (much easier & cheaper to build) as opposed to competing with Sebring.

Here's ours at Buttermere;

[andrewws]

Now that is a nice looking car, exactly what I am after for mine.
My kit of parts has no windscreen/glazing present so I am trying to find out where to get this from or if there are any likely substitutes. I also have a prop shaft issue but that must be possible to fettle. Thanks for the replies and help everybody.

[illyan]

That's a lovely car, Roman. I'll keep a lookout for an abandoned project. Given the amount of rain we get here, mine will have side windows and a top!

I've been wondering about building a car from scratch. It's doable, but the most difficult part of the car is the screen, which will have to pass the IVA. So far I've found one supplier. They're not cheap, but you can at least get them.

http://www.ahspares.co.uk/products/WINDSCREEN-FRAM...

[simon3000]

hi andrew.it sounds like your kit has been assembled as far as the manual went.my manual was a few a4 photocopies and only went as far as the rolling chassis.the propshaft will need measurementsfrom the gearbox tailshaft to the diff flange.speak to bailey morris propshafts,very helpful over the phone,it should cost around £200.my original one supplied through pilgrim was crap and let go last year (definate brown trouser moment).
windscreens were a bespoke item ,about 50mm wider than original healeys,but not "e"marked so no good for iva. windscreen pillars were avaliable from AH spares along with the bright work.
if you need any other info or photos feel free to message me.

[hal 1]

illyan said:

http://www.haldane100.com/Windscreen2.aspx

That's me !
Andrew, I have a Pilgrim build for a cobra, i'm told the chassis' are almost the same, the Haldane manual was like a childs comic, the wiring diagram was unbelievable. you can have the Cobra one, just e-mail me through my site and i'll send it to you, As singlecoil says, it's not brilliant but better than nought, let me know where you are in the uk and i'll see if anyone lives close by.

Edited by hal 1 on Friday 14th January 19:17

[pccthebreed]

To Andrewws and Ilyan may I take this opportunity to apologise to you both for the way you have been treated by the Pilgrim Car Club. The problem we have is that we are targeted by "bogus" applications by spammers, purveyors of porn etc and this has caused us problems when trying to sort the good applications from the bad ones. Ilyan I have taken care of your application tonight and Andrewws I feel sure that I took care of yours recently. Of twenty three applications that we received over the last two weeks only three or four proved or were at least considered to be bonafide.
Ilyan, from what you write you describe my idea of a perfect committee, sitting in the pub quaffing fine ale and deciding the future of those that may be less fortunate, oh that it were so. In fact it is usually taken care of by me after work in between doing some odd job for the wife and waiting for my dinner to be dished up. It would appear that you think that The Pilgrim Car Club (which is what you applied for membership of) and Pilgrim Cars (The manufacturer owned by Den Tanner) have some connection and I'm sorry to say this could not be further from the truth. The Pilgrim Car Club is run by the members for the members and purely by volunteers.
I think the only way the club can move forward with this is to ask the applicants to verify their application by email or similar much the same as this site does and hope that the bogus applicants will not be bothered with the follow up.
I look forward to hearing from you with your comments.

Keith Barnes
Membership Secretary
The Pilgrim Car Club