How much would a newly registered Westfield be worth?

[MPETT]

How much do people think a newly registered westfield SEI wide with a 2.0 pinto be worth striaght from having been registered/through the IVA test and 0 miles on the clock? Assuming the finish is perfect and sold in late spring.

I was thinking between 9-10k?

Cheers,

Martin

Here is one I built in 2005 and sold in 2006. at the time I got £10500 which included full weather gear and 3000miles on the clock.

[Furyblade_Lee]

Its worth what someone is willing to pay!! Pinto will score it down a bit in a world of Zetecs, but maybe it is worth Westfield brokering it for you?? Do they do that?? Maybe try Hallmark cars, kit car specialists as they might be interested in brokering it for you. Otherwise, 0 miles or not (and an untested car someone else built is not always a good thing, I personally would not touch it, if it had 2,000 miles on it i'd be happier) it is a secondhand car, but you have not stated how much it cost to build from parts?? Weather gear?? Leather?? Pure guessing, unless you find someone with a big wad of cash who was looking to build / buy a Pinto Westfield the I doubt you will get more than £10k for it. Shame you cannot get to enjoy it yourself!!!

Edited by Furyblade_Lee on Saturday 1st January 10:05

[singlecoil]

I agree with FL, up to a point, but I would be much more pessimistic about the price. I don't think that the fact that it was newly built will mean much at all to a potential buyer, and the Pinto is a very real drawback. I reckon £6K.

[Steve_D]

Op
You say the pictured car was built and sold 2005/2006.

Do I assume you are now looking to see if you can build cars and sell them on as a viable business opportunity?

Yes you possibly could but there are many pitfalls which we can discuss further if that is your intention.

Steve

[MPETT]

Steve_D said:

Op
You say the pictured car was built and sold 2005/2006.

Do I assume you are now looking to see if you can build cars and sell them on as a viable business opportunity?

Yes you possibly could but there are many pitfalls which we can discuss further if that is your intention.

Steve

Basically I've come across someone who needs to sell a kit they have assembled to the point of registration. They are selling due to ill heath. I am considering buying it with a view of getting it through the test and then selling in the spring for a profit. I am trying to work out what price I should be paying to take into consideration, risk and the price I could then sell it for. I haven't seen it either so can not vouch for the standard of the build but the chap sounded very knowledgable. (i quized him fairly well using my prior experience with this car/kit.

I think the previous comment is correct in that if you find the right buyer then you can sell any car. I think I was a tad lucky with mine in that the guy wanted the classic colour combo and a simple engine he could pay around with. Some of the old school guys are put off by electronics and prefer the old systems.

[Comadis]

so you want to buy an assembled, but not registered car?

ok...here we go:

compare the prices at fleebay and here at PH classifieds for an already registered, similar car and than draw off around 50% of the price.

a new car, with all new parts does not automatically mean that you get the investment back...especially as the major point "registration" is missing.

[Yazza54]

Comadis said:

so you want to buy an assembled, but not registered car?

ok...here we go:

compare the prices at fleebay and here at PH classifieds for an already registered, similar car and than draw off around 50% of the price.

a new car, with all new parts does not automatically mean that you get the investment back...especially as the major point "registration" is missing.

Op states it would be fresh from iva...

[Wacky Racer]

I built a brand new Westfield SE..(not Sei), virtually identical to that, same colour, with a two litre Pinto, twin 40 Webbers, nice pale blue leather seats way back in 1990, build cost around 10k iirc.

Sold it a couple of years later privately to a fireman from Liverpool with 3k on the clock, in mint condition for £6500.........

(If that helps)...

Off topic:-

Wonder if Westfield Technical bod at the time, John Grosvenor, (looked a bit like actor Nigel Hawthorne) is still around in the trade??

[singlecoil]

Anyone looking to buy an untested kit project should budget at least £1000 to take a car from its finished (according to the seller) state to actually on the road with tax (but not insurance).


With the car in this thread, if the Pinto is a decent one then I think it would make commercial sense to have it out and sell it, then put something tasty in. I would go for a Duratec and a conversion bellhousing, bike ITBs and an Emerald or similar ECU. A catalyst will be needed but they are not expensixe. Two advantages with the Duratec, exhaaust on the same side as the Pinto, and far more desirable from the selling POV. I wouldn't be surprised if, in otherwise similar cars, the Duratec engined kit fetched at least £3K extra.

I've bought Cat C Mk3 Mondeo for £650 a year ago, 110,000 on the clock and running very sweetly.

[MPETT]

So here she is! Iva'd, taxed and ready to go. It's been 3 weeks now and ive had no serious enquiries. Does anyone have any advice, comments or tips that might help me to sell her? Is the market just not very good at the moment?
Cheers,

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2632945.htm

[singlecoil]

MPETT said:

Does anyone have any advice

If you need to sell it, you are going to have a good hard look at the price. I would be amazed if anyone showed any interest at the £9250 you are asking. It's the engine that is the main problem, of course.



"set up on a rolling road by Northampton Motorsport (the best for Westfields in the Midlands!) they estimate that the engine will produce 130bhp with the current set up"

Estimated? It's on a rolling road and they are estimating the output?

Edited by singlecoil on Monday 2nd May 14:29

[rhinochopig]

Need more info as the spec makes a massive difference:

Does it have Nitrons
Is it polybushed
Does it have ARBs
Does it have the upgraded brakes
Image or other lightgweight wheels
Stack dash
Any carbon
RAC spec ROB
Full weather gear
LSD
Etc,etc, etc.

ETA sorry didn't notice the add first time round - still needs more info though. List the make and type of the key components.

Edited by rhinochopig on Monday 2nd May 14:42

[Comadis]

there are certain issues why you wont have lots of enquiries:

at first: price is too high

2nd: yellow is not a prefered color for those cars.
3rd: the pinto engine is not the best choice nowadays. (more or less its the last choice)

a friend of mine recently purchased a fresh built up SEWi (as it was a insurance write of it was built up using all new parts: new westfield chassis, new suspension parts, everything poweder coated, new body, carbon wings, freshly built high spec crossflow engine, overhauled 5-speed T9, uprated bias brake system, discs all around, minilight wheels, semi slick tyres, perfectly detailed enginebay with invisible wiring, lots of alloy parts and samco hoses...and much more to list), full weather gear (as new), LSD, RAC rollbar, spax krypton shocks, driven 1200miles since built and a chassis so clean you could eat from!!!

6500,-pound!!!

Edited by Comadis on Monday 2nd May 15:30

[Sam_68]

What Singlecoil and Comadis said, basically: it's got just about the least desirable engine possible, as a result of which you're asking about £3K too much for it.

[Paul Drawmer]

As above, but I think the colour is perfect!
It's a loud car, should have a loud colour.

[Stevie_P]

I think I echo what other people have said.
Looks a nice car but maybe hampered abit with the engine.
Pinto in a Westfield just doesn't seem acceptable to some people.
Price is very optimistic.
It may be better to get a Zetec. Sell the Pinto / use the carbs for the Zetec maybe and get an ignition system.
New Zetecs can be had for around £700 with ignition a few hundred extra.
You'll probably need a new sump etc.
Or drop the price accordingly.
I think £6,000 - £6,500 will see a buyer pretty sharpish.

[FightTheFuture]

As some others have said, with the zetec being pretty standard now, pintos never seem to fetch much. For a guide, I paid £9000 for my Westy last year- 2.0 Zetec Blacktop on TBs, with various other bells and whistles on the car, all in good nick. All part of the endless march of technology, I guess...