"Super Car Company for Sale" on ebay £19,500
Discussion
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Super-Car-Company-Sale-/1904...
"Formally known as Farboud GT or LM. This complete package company is available to purchase at a fraction of the set up cost. Sale is managed by Arash Motor Company Ltd who currently own the assets and IPR.
Company Package includes:
All body tooling in GRP to produce parts in GRP or low temp Carbon Fibre Pre Preg
Rear wing tooling
Chassis designs and drawings to enable chassis manufacture.
Glass tooling - this currently resides at the glass manufacturer for call off issue of windscreens.
Side glass tooling and front light lense tooling to be made in lexan or plexi glass
All instruction manuals for assembly and fit
CD rom of parts required to fit
Full list of Bill of Materials
Factory support on how to assemble the cars and make body panels
Supplier schedule of all parts required for production and assembly.
Telephone support for first year as you establish the company build up.
Use of name 'Farboud' or its badge is not part of the sale.
Prototype available for viewing at factory and for photography.
Prototype is not part of the sale, only tooling and the design rights and IPR."
The picture in the listing is pretty obviously a "photo-realistic" CAD rendering, I wonder why they didn't put up a picture of the actual car?
"Formally known as Farboud GT or LM. This complete package company is available to purchase at a fraction of the set up cost. Sale is managed by Arash Motor Company Ltd who currently own the assets and IPR.
Company Package includes:
All body tooling in GRP to produce parts in GRP or low temp Carbon Fibre Pre Preg
Rear wing tooling
Chassis designs and drawings to enable chassis manufacture.
Glass tooling - this currently resides at the glass manufacturer for call off issue of windscreens.
Side glass tooling and front light lense tooling to be made in lexan or plexi glass
All instruction manuals for assembly and fit
CD rom of parts required to fit
Full list of Bill of Materials
Factory support on how to assemble the cars and make body panels
Supplier schedule of all parts required for production and assembly.
Telephone support for first year as you establish the company build up.
Use of name 'Farboud' or its badge is not part of the sale.
Prototype available for viewing at factory and for photography.
Prototype is not part of the sale, only tooling and the design rights and IPR."
The picture in the listing is pretty obviously a "photo-realistic" CAD rendering, I wonder why they didn't put up a picture of the actual car?
jason61c said:
Search for Farboud GT.
EH???????????But I said
singlecoil said:
Is Google going to tell me why they didn't put up a picture of the actual car? How would I search for that?
I repeat, how am I going to search for the REASON why they didn't put up a picture of the actual car?For the avoidance of doubt, it's not pictures of the car I am interested in, I want to know why they didn't show pictures of it.
I don't have that kind of cash handy at the moment.
Geting that project going from that starting position is going to be pretty expensive too, probably into 6 figures. First step will be to build a demonstration car. Although difficult enough in itself, that is going to be very easy compared with the next step of actually getting people to buy either kits or finished examples at a profitable price.
I reckon the only person who could take that on would be somebody with enough money to not have to worry too much if he doesn't get anything back from it, somebody who is doing it for fun, in other words.
Geting that project going from that starting position is going to be pretty expensive too, probably into 6 figures. First step will be to build a demonstration car. Although difficult enough in itself, that is going to be very easy compared with the next step of actually getting people to buy either kits or finished examples at a profitable price.
I reckon the only person who could take that on would be somebody with enough money to not have to worry too much if he doesn't get anything back from it, somebody who is doing it for fun, in other words.
Its a proper design though so with all the plans/moulds/designs all there I don't think you'd be looking at anyway near that. Its already had a whole load of cash put into it, its been done properly.
Including building a car and buying the design/IPR you'd be looking at £50k tops to have one on the road, then it'd be just sales. The top of the range kits like the GDt70/ultima selll well and make a good profit.
Including building a car and buying the design/IPR you'd be looking at £50k tops to have one on the road, then it'd be just sales. The top of the range kits like the GDt70/ultima selll well and make a good profit.
jason61c said:
Including building a car and buying the design/IPR you'd be looking at £50k tops to have one on the road
Well, the design IPR etc are £19.5K, so you reckon a car like that could be built for £30.5K? You should have a read of the Ultima forum and see how far that kind of money gets you building one of those, and that's from an actual kit.singlecoil said:
jason61c said:
Including building a car and buying the design/IPR you'd be looking at £50k tops to have one on the road
Well, the design IPR etc are £19.5K, so you reckon a car like that could be built for £30.5K? You should have a read of the Ultima forum and see how far that kind of money gets you building one of those, and that's from an actual kit.This was the one that looked a lot like the Porsche GT1. Wasn't there some mention of legal action from Porsche over this or did I imagine it?
Ahhh found it, from Wikipedia
The first Farboud, the GT, was similar in appearance to the 1996-99 Porsche 911 GT1 but powered by a twin-turbo V6 derived from the Audi S4. Porsche complained about the styling but only one vehicle was made and never sold on the open market. The Farboud GT turned up at the start of the 2005 Gumball 3000 rally in London as a star vehicle. Arash then turned his mind to a more marketable car and hired a stylist fresh out of school to help him develop a compact supercar formed around the same drivetrain.
The resulting prototype, the GTS, was a compact car with a steel tube frame, carbon fibre body panels, pushrod suspension with Öhlins dampers, and with engine power expected to be up to 580 hp on production models.
Ahhh found it, from Wikipedia
The first Farboud, the GT, was similar in appearance to the 1996-99 Porsche 911 GT1 but powered by a twin-turbo V6 derived from the Audi S4. Porsche complained about the styling but only one vehicle was made and never sold on the open market. The Farboud GT turned up at the start of the 2005 Gumball 3000 rally in London as a star vehicle. Arash then turned his mind to a more marketable car and hired a stylist fresh out of school to help him develop a compact supercar formed around the same drivetrain.
The resulting prototype, the GTS, was a compact car with a steel tube frame, carbon fibre body panels, pushrod suspension with Öhlins dampers, and with engine power expected to be up to 580 hp on production models.
Edited by jeffw on Friday 7th January 11:50
jason61c said:
singlecoil said:
jason61c said:
Including building a car and buying the design/IPR you'd be looking at £50k tops to have one on the road
Well, the design IPR etc are £19.5K, so you reckon a car like that could be built for £30.5K? You should have a read of the Ultima forum and see how far that kind of money gets you building one of those, and that's from an actual kit.In any case, a chassis and all the suspension parts are going to have to be made, as one-offs initially, and will be more expensive therefore than ready made parts from a series manufacturer like Ultima would be (as they can spread the development costs over a number of vehicles, therefore keeping their prices attractive).
I wonder why are they selling? Surely Arash Cars has the resources to put the car to market if they thought it would make them money...
Maybe they want to see someone else to succeed, by giving them the chance to develop one of their early prototypes.
Sticking it on at £20k doesn't really get them very much... even if the assets have already been written off somewhere along the way.
Maybe they want to see someone else to succeed, by giving them the chance to develop one of their early prototypes.
Sticking it on at £20k doesn't really get them very much... even if the assets have already been written off somewhere along the way.
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