Another unregistered Dutton?
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The Dutton on ebay see link
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DUTTON-MALAGA-B-PLUS-TRACKDA...
Is another unregistered kit car on ebay. At least this one does admit non registration but see below.
I strongly advise viewers that the costs of getting this through IVA will be prohibitive.
Question has to be asked whether the original registration has been used elsewhere.
Its most unusual to see an unregistered car that shows the use this one has had.
Buyer beware must apply.
Don't think you can get this on the road without a hell of a lot of work because its not possible. I
IVA and old kit cars just do not mix.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DUTTON-MALAGA-B-PLUS-TRACKDA...
Is another unregistered kit car on ebay. At least this one does admit non registration but see below.
I strongly advise viewers that the costs of getting this through IVA will be prohibitive.
Question has to be asked whether the original registration has been used elsewhere.
Its most unusual to see an unregistered car that shows the use this one has had.
Buyer beware must apply.
Don't think you can get this on the road without a hell of a lot of work because its not possible. I
IVA and old kit cars just do not mix.
Ummmmmm .................. not with you on this one Steffan, where in the ad does he suggest putting it on the road (which incidentally would not prove anything like as hard as getting an ex race car on the road such as was suggested recently). He is selling it as a trackday car & says it's been used for racing & autotesting, I think perhaps some people are getting a bit paranoid about the ringers & chassis/reg no.'s available on Ebay (which really does need stamping on)but really can't see much wrong with this one!
Russ Bost said:
Ummmmmm .................. not with you on this one Steffan, where in the ad does he suggest putting it on the road (which incidentally would not prove anything like as hard as getting an ex race car on the road such as was suggested recently). He is selling it as a trackday car & says it's been used for racing & autotesting, I think perhaps some people are getting a bit paranoid about the ringers & chasssis/reg no.'s available on Ebay (which really does need stamping on)but really can't see much wrong with this one!
+1. No, it doesn't mention V5, SVA or IVA status but it's being sold as a trackday car (see? It's right there in the listing's TITLE) 100% feedback rating on 342 transactions, plus a comprehensive listing; were I in the market for such a machine, I'd be less anxious about this that some of my other eBay gambles.....apparently there are a lot of blunt axes hereabouts...
I actually like Duttons.
I have owned driven and built a fair number.
They are amongst the cheapest kit cars. The cheapest. Because of the very variable quality of these cars.
My concern is that no one is under any misapprehension that thus car can be made road worthy easily.
If you are prepared to pay the price for a track car only so be it.
My own view is that this figure would buy a properly registered Dutton at least as good and usable on the track or road. In fact I sold one last year for this amount.
I have owned driven and built a fair number.
They are amongst the cheapest kit cars. The cheapest. Because of the very variable quality of these cars.
My concern is that no one is under any misapprehension that thus car can be made road worthy easily.
If you are prepared to pay the price for a track car only so be it.
My own view is that this figure would buy a properly registered Dutton at least as good and usable on the track or road. In fact I sold one last year for this amount.
But you're ASSUMING someone would want to buy this to use on the road and ASSUMING nobody buys cars like this for trackday use only with no intention or desire to drive it on the road?
I know a couple of chaps who live in London who own trackday cars and they'd sooner poke their eyes out with a damp copy of the Sporting Life than drive their cars in London. They're track day cars pure and simple.
And I also agree with the other posters, I reckon this guy's as good as gold. Honest, straightforward and up-front and not trying to mislead anyone.
No sorry Steffan you're off the mark and out of line with picking holes in this one.
I know a couple of chaps who live in London who own trackday cars and they'd sooner poke their eyes out with a damp copy of the Sporting Life than drive their cars in London. They're track day cars pure and simple.
And I also agree with the other posters, I reckon this guy's as good as gold. Honest, straightforward and up-front and not trying to mislead anyone.
No sorry Steffan you're off the mark and out of line with picking holes in this one.
All dutton chassis had the numbers stanped on them, thought whetehr these still remain is unclear, if you can find this then it's easy to check via DVLA whetehr the car has ever been registered. My car registered in 1983 clearly shows the chassis number in the Reg Doc. Having owned a Dutton for 25 years I'd be amazed if it hasn't been on the road at some time. Though for track use it doesn't nmatter, though I understand for track days the car needs to be road legal?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sylva-Striker-Mk1-Track-day-...
and here another one. the car is running on donor logbook and was never registered as sylva, nor even tried to do so.
the advert is misleading in this matter as the seller wants to make people believe that the registration could be easily altered from Ford escort to sylva.
by the way: the dutton advert wants to make believe that the car, if maybe ever registered on the road, could be tax exempt by saying "model year 1970"
thats a lie, the Malaga B Plus models have been sold from 1975–1977
and here another one. the car is running on donor logbook and was never registered as sylva, nor even tried to do so.
the advert is misleading in this matter as the seller wants to make people believe that the registration could be easily altered from Ford escort to sylva.
by the way: the dutton advert wants to make believe that the car, if maybe ever registered on the road, could be tax exempt by saying "model year 1970"
thats a lie, the Malaga B Plus models have been sold from 1975–1977
Comadis said:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sylva-Striker-Mk1-Track-day-...
and here another one. the car is running on donor logbook and was never registered as sylva, nor even tried to do so.
the advert is misleading in this matter as the seller wants to make people believe that the registration could be easily altered from Ford escort to sylva.
by the way: the dutton advert wants to make believe that the car, if maybe ever registered on the road, could be tax exempt by saying "model year 1970"
thats a lie, the Malaga B Plus models have been sold from 1975–1977
Again, that seems a perfectly alright advert to me. Sheesh it's a wonder any kit cars ever get sold with all you conspiracy theorists out there. and here another one. the car is running on donor logbook and was never registered as sylva, nor even tried to do so.
the advert is misleading in this matter as the seller wants to make people believe that the registration could be easily altered from Ford escort to sylva.
by the way: the dutton advert wants to make believe that the car, if maybe ever registered on the road, could be tax exempt by saying "model year 1970"
thats a lie, the Malaga B Plus models have been sold from 1975–1977
m8rky said:
Local folklore has it that Dutton,s were built without a chassis jig and the chassis rails were just lined up against the workshop wall.
& your point is??? Are we having a pop at Duttons, trackday cars or what here, there is nothing wrong with either of those ads, as neither imply the car is currently road legal or could be used without further work & IVA, as regards the chasssis rails, well I don't think too many people would argue that Duttons were the best built of vehicles, but so what, it's cheap as chips & I bet you could have loads of fun with it, if you want an Ultima, pay Ultima money!I find it very interesting that these cars illicit such different reactions in the kit car world.
The Sylva in my opinion is really raises a whole series of doubts. I have rebuilt two genuine Syla's and neither looked anything like this.
Has anyone seen a Syla Sriker Mark 1 with this kind of sevenesque bodywork?
If its still registered as an Escort then ITS NOT A SYLA.
It's a motor car you should not name any manufacturer as the original unless the car is genuinely from that firm.
Up to the buyers but I don't like these carefully worded very vague references to a previous registered history.
It had a V5 and a Chassis plate?
Surely it has been registered but has the reg gone elsewhere?
Begs the question!!
As to the Dutton my only concern is that buyers are not given the wrong impression that this car can be registered easily.
It cannot.
The Sylva in my opinion is really raises a whole series of doubts. I have rebuilt two genuine Syla's and neither looked anything like this.
Has anyone seen a Syla Sriker Mark 1 with this kind of sevenesque bodywork?
If its still registered as an Escort then ITS NOT A SYLA.
It's a motor car you should not name any manufacturer as the original unless the car is genuinely from that firm.
Up to the buyers but I don't like these carefully worded very vague references to a previous registered history.
It had a V5 and a Chassis plate?
Surely it has been registered but has the reg gone elsewhere?
Begs the question!!
As to the Dutton my only concern is that buyers are not given the wrong impression that this car can be registered easily.
It cannot.
Russ Bost said:
m8rky said:
Local folklore has it that Dutton,s were built without a chassis jig and the chassis rails were just lined up against the workshop wall.
& your point is??? Are we having a pop at Duttons, trackday cars or what here, there is nothing wrong with either of those ads, as neither imply the car is currently road legal or could be used without further work & IVA, as regards the chasssis rails, well I don't think too many people would argue that Duttons were the best built of vehicles, but so what, it's cheap as chips & I bet you could have loads of fun with it, if you want an Ultima, pay Ultima money!As a Dutton builder and owner (a long time ago) I can assure anyone who is interested that the only things the original owner of that car would have had to do to get it on the road, legally, is to have an mot test, a visit from a policeman to check whether or not it had stolen parts, then a trip to the local DVLA office (or whatever it was called back then). I think Steffan is probably right, and that that Dutton has probably donated its identity to some other kit car. In that era it would have qualified for a new registration, so it seems unlikely that the builder wouldn't have bothered to carry out those simple, and cheap, steps.
As far as the car on offer is concerned it seems an alright price if someone has an off road use for it.
Not all Duttons had their chassis stamped, some had a screen printed aluminium label epoxied to the chassis.
As far as the car on offer is concerned it seems an alright price if someone has an off road use for it.
Not all Duttons had their chassis stamped, some had a screen printed aluminium label epoxied to the chassis.
m8rky said:
Local folklore has it that Dutton,s were built without a chassis jig and the chassis rails were just lined up against the workshop wall.
Not uncommon,all the early dax cobra chassis were made by a guy who,s chassis jig was a set of chalk marks on the floor ! till dax found out and moved productionKnow another dutton owner who had his chassis for his s3 arrive an they must of had a chassis jig then as they had put the wishbone pickups on the wrong side of the jig resulting in the near side mounts being 2" further apart than the off side.Best bit was the letter from dutton cars saying they would make him a special wider one off wishbone for that side an "not do worry we do this with our racing cars all the time"
BTW not slagging dutton off i have 7 of em !
I have no problem with chassis being lined up against walls or along chalk marks, some of the finest bike frames are lined up by eye against door frames and window frames .. the flex in a dutton chassis means accurate jigs are largely immaterial anyway .. just spring them softly and you'd never know 
a friend of mine has an old dutton with a very quick, tuned rover v8 fitted and yes you can feel the chassis twist with each acceleration and gearchange, but it has never broken, and to coin a phrase is, "more fun than you can shake a stick at" .(whatever that means)things have moved on considerably in chassis design and build quality but all at a price way way above £1500. for maybe the same amount of fun?
Frankthered said:
XanderH said:
Steffan said:
Has anyone seen a Syla Sriker Mark 1 with this kind of sevenesque bodywork?
My Striker looks pretty much like this one.The Mk1 bit is a bit misleading though as there was only One made (with an Rx3 motor) and that isn't it, the first production one's we're Mk2's, which does confuse folk occasionally - the car in that advert being a Mk2.
It's got the stock inboard front suspension, with a 5 linked rear axle (you can see the arms on the pics) but with the one piece nose cone and rear body section so the advertisers description looks about right.
Registration wise - who cares?
Plenty of these track only, and as you can buy basically the same car currently it would be fairly straightforward to IVA it, all in all a very cheap way into probably one of the best track handling 'seven' about.
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