Westfieldd - Zetec Help???
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Hi all,
Well I dont really know how to start this off. My dad is selling his 944 cabriolet at the moment (see PH classifieds) and is considering getting something like a Westfield SEIW. Problem is the majority of the cars at the price he wants to spend are Pinto's and CVH powered cars. Apparently these engines have come from doner cars and we dont know how many miles they have done before being put into a new car. This annoys me as you could be driving a car with an engine thats been round the clock twice but may only show 10,000 miles becuase thats what is has done in the westy.
My idea then is to find a cheap SEIW with a Pinto engine, and see if it is possible to swap it for a new Zetec engine instead.
As a result of this, I've been on Ebay looking for Zetec engines and found this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BRAND-NEW-FORD-1-8-ZETEC-ENG...
So is this any good? It seems so to me. Me and my dad are not mechanically minded, worse than novices
(if thats possible). So will this gearbox work with this engine:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FORD-MONDEO-2001-MK2-1-8-16v...
Is there much of a market for used Pinto engines if wewent ahead and got the Zetec, how much oculd a Pinto engine sell for?
Since we are useless at mechanics, does anyone on PH know where we could have the Zetec engine/gearbox installed for a decent price, and has anyone ever done this before, did it work?
I really dont know anything mechanical so please go easy on me, this is just a thought, for all I know this could be hugely expensive and pointless.
Over to you PH people
Well I dont really know how to start this off. My dad is selling his 944 cabriolet at the moment (see PH classifieds) and is considering getting something like a Westfield SEIW. Problem is the majority of the cars at the price he wants to spend are Pinto's and CVH powered cars. Apparently these engines have come from doner cars and we dont know how many miles they have done before being put into a new car. This annoys me as you could be driving a car with an engine thats been round the clock twice but may only show 10,000 miles becuase thats what is has done in the westy.
My idea then is to find a cheap SEIW with a Pinto engine, and see if it is possible to swap it for a new Zetec engine instead.
As a result of this, I've been on Ebay looking for Zetec engines and found this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BRAND-NEW-FORD-1-8-ZETEC-ENG...
So is this any good? It seems so to me. Me and my dad are not mechanically minded, worse than novices
(if thats possible). So will this gearbox work with this engine:http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FORD-MONDEO-2001-MK2-1-8-16v...
Is there much of a market for used Pinto engines if wewent ahead and got the Zetec, how much oculd a Pinto engine sell for?
Since we are useless at mechanics, does anyone on PH know where we could have the Zetec engine/gearbox installed for a decent price, and has anyone ever done this before, did it work?
I really dont know anything mechanical so please go easy on me, this is just a thought, for all I know this could be hugely expensive and pointless.
Over to you PH people
Yep, when buying a kit car you have to look at the car, touch it, feel it, smell it. What you buy is what you get. There's unlikely to be any service history, or handbook. No, you won't know how many miles the engine, gearbox, diff, brakes or anything have done, and they could all be different.
I guess that's a complex way of say that since you won't have a number of miles to know about, you'll have to not worry about it. Just buy the car according to how you see it.
Also; buying an car and fitting a new but different engine, will cost more than waiting for one with a more modern engine to come up for sale. Especially as you will be paying someone to do the work for you.
So; my advice would be to set a budget, keep a bit bit back for nasty surprises and buy the best you can afford.
Oh, and get to Stoneleigh next weekend!
I guess that's a complex way of say that since you won't have a number of miles to know about, you'll have to not worry about it. Just buy the car according to how you see it.
Also; buying an car and fitting a new but different engine, will cost more than waiting for one with a more modern engine to come up for sale. Especially as you will be paying someone to do the work for you.
So; my advice would be to set a budget, keep a bit bit back for nasty surprises and buy the best you can afford.
Oh, and get to Stoneleigh next weekend!
ColinM50 said:
If you get someone to supply and fit the engine, bank on £3K minimum, closer to £4K. Leastways that's what mime cost.
Better bet is to buy a westie with the Zetec already in. Loads of 'em around common as muck those westies.
£3K!!!! I wouldnt have thought it would be that much! £585 for the engine, original gearbox, I wouldnt have thought that the fitting would have been that expensive!Better bet is to buy a westie with the Zetec already in. Loads of 'em around common as muck those westies.
You need to allow for new engine mountings to be fitted, as the Zetec is injection you fuel system will need to have a return pipe, pump, filters and possibly a swirl pot.
New exhaust manifold system.
Also, a bit of a rewire for the new engine.
Then theres the cost of paying a garage to do the work.
Personally, I would save and buy a car with the Zetec fitted. Or buy the Pinto engine car (a very good, strong, over engineered engine) and sell when you want to upgrade.
New exhaust manifold system.
Also, a bit of a rewire for the new engine.
Then theres the cost of paying a garage to do the work.
Personally, I would save and buy a car with the Zetec fitted. Or buy the Pinto engine car (a very good, strong, over engineered engine) and sell when you want to upgrade.
I had a 1700 X-FLow in my Westfield for 5 yrs and found it a great, realiable engine.
My Westifield had no weather gear, heater, windscreen/doors and light weight seats and kept up with my friends 1800 Zetec upto 90mph.
Get the Pinto and enjoy it. You can throw money at the car and engine as you like to make it quicker/handle better, not all performance is in bhp!!! .... i know of a 1700 X-Flow that has over 200bhp and red lines at 10,000rpm.........mind you it cost over £10K to build!
My Westifield had no weather gear, heater, windscreen/doors and light weight seats and kept up with my friends 1800 Zetec upto 90mph.
Get the Pinto and enjoy it. You can throw money at the car and engine as you like to make it quicker/handle better, not all performance is in bhp!!! .... i know of a 1700 X-Flow that has over 200bhp and red lines at 10,000rpm.........mind you it cost over £10K to build!
Dalto123 said:
ColinM50 said:
If you get someone to supply and fit the engine, bank on £3K minimum, closer to £4K. Leastways that's what mime cost.
Better bet is to buy a westie with the Zetec already in. Loads of 'em around common as muck those westies.
£3K!!!! I wouldnt have thought it would be that much! £585 for the engine, original gearbox, I wouldnt have thought that the fitting would have been that expensive!Better bet is to buy a westie with the Zetec already in. Loads of 'em around common as muck those westies.
Yes Tim's right. Time you add new clutch, release bearing, Omex ECU, manifold, shortened sump, engine mounts, wiring, exhaust mods, water rail, cooling pipes re-routed and renewed and and and. Plus of course the garage's labour and profit, you'll be lucky to get away with less than £3K.
Oh and I've so far also spent nearly £900 having the ECU set up and it's still not right. Not impressed with that, but that's another story.
It's all too easy to say I can get a new engine off e-bay for £6 oir 700, but that's for just a bare engine. It doesn't even have a flywheel let alone manifolds and fuel injectors. It's not as cheap as you think.
Having paid a garage to change my CVH to a Zetec in my car, my advice for what it's worth is, if you want a car with a Zetec, then have look in the mags or Stoneleigh next weekend and buy one where soemeone's already done the work for you. If you're OK to do the work yourself, it may be a different story but not if you've got to pay the labour cost.
Oh and I've so far also spent nearly £900 having the ECU set up and it's still not right. Not impressed with that, but that's another story.
It's all too easy to say I can get a new engine off e-bay for £6 oir 700, but that's for just a bare engine. It doesn't even have a flywheel let alone manifolds and fuel injectors. It's not as cheap as you think.
Having paid a garage to change my CVH to a Zetec in my car, my advice for what it's worth is, if you want a car with a Zetec, then have look in the mags or Stoneleigh next weekend and buy one where soemeone's already done the work for you. If you're OK to do the work yourself, it may be a different story but not if you've got to pay the labour cost.
hi andy here.i swapped my pinto engine for a new zetec engine costing £700.a bargain for a new engine.being mechanically minded (tight arsed)i made and sourced all of the parts needed and the cost still came to just over £1900. a good source of info i found is ZETEC INSIDE.google this and it shows you whats involved in a zetec engine swap.mines running on R1 bike carbs £100, bogg bros inlet £250, megajolt ecu £170,exhaust manifold £200,engine mounts £30,clutch £50,starter motor £60,alternator £70.then theres all the little things like modding the sump and pickup,water rail and rubber hoses and brackets which i made myself,but would cost you alot in labour charges alone.you are better off joining your local kitcar club and forums for help.you will be surprised in the offers for help.
A pinto properly set up will give years of service ,look for clues of over heating ,poor ,non existant maintainance if there is any of these walk away unless it's very cheap .Tenp gauge in middle of scale ,oil pressure at least 30 psi hot no rattles ,knocks it should serve you well but remember if it's got wheels or t*ts it WILL cost you money, find a nice Westy ,Tiger ,LOcost, Robin Hood for 3/6k and join the barmy army I have not mentioned Caterhams because I doubt you would find a nice one for that sort of money .My opinion is that they are over priced [ waiting for flak or incoming ]but it's my PERSONAL ,others will shout long and loud the other way ,my choice was ruled by the depth of my pocket
Aother vote for the 'keep the engine it's got camp' really. Given you have to pay someone to do the work, then it's really a simple choice. I too converted from Xflow to Zetec. Already had an ECU and throttle bodies I'd made for the Xflow, engine only cost me £150, but even then, and doing all the work myself, it probably cost me another £1k to do the job.
It's all those little details........
It's all those little details........
a boardman said:
And if I remember correct when I built my kit car, the exhaust on a zetec is on the other side to a pinto, so you could end up with a hole on one side,
unless you get a car which can take a v8.
Simple answer to that one....fit a Duratec unless you get a car which can take a v8.
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