V6 Essex rebuild suggestions.
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All
Im looking for some prctical suggestions for what I might consider for the Essex rebuild.
On the list so far is
Stage 2/3 heads with unleaded coversion and big valves
new water pump
new fuel pump
carb rebuild kit.
Not sure where to go from there really?
Any thoughts or suggestion greatly received.
Stu
Im looking for some prctical suggestions for what I might consider for the Essex rebuild.
On the list so far is
Stage 2/3 heads with unleaded coversion and big valves
new water pump
new fuel pump
carb rebuild kit.
Not sure where to go from there really?
Any thoughts or suggestion greatly received.
Stu
Yes, and in my current position thats completly bugger all due to back operation this morning, but when Im back and fit I plan to do it myself, and in saying that theres pretty much nothing that I cant do or get machined at a reasonable price.
what were you thinking?
I dont want to get silly with it, but I do want it to compliment the fact that the Chassis will be completely renewed as will the supension mountings and rubbers and brakes.
the Diff and Gearbox will be overhaulled and it should be like a new car.
Im not planning on driving it like its stolen, Ive got 2 wedges for that!
Stu
what were you thinking?
I dont want to get silly with it, but I do want it to compliment the fact that the Chassis will be completely renewed as will the supension mountings and rubbers and brakes.
the Diff and Gearbox will be overhaulled and it should be like a new car.
Im not planning on driving it like its stolen, Ive got 2 wedges for that!
Stu
[quote=hallsie]All
Im looking for some prctical suggestions for what I might consider for the Essex rebuild.
On the list so far is
Stage 2/3 heads with unleaded coversion and big valves
new water pump
new fuel pump
carb rebuild kit.
Not sure where to go from there really?
Any thoughts or suggestion greatly received.
Any time soon there will be a bus load of experts along who may or may not have ever built an engine. We will never know.
I,ll get in quick and look for my hard hat and flack jacket. Assuming you want some more performance, and who wouldn,t from an asthmatic Essex V6. The biggest fault with the Essex is it wont breathe,( thats why the Turbo produced power, you rammed it down its throat-- that doesn,t mean Turbos were any good) it should have 6 carburettors on the exhaust ports and the exhaust manifold coming out of the middle of the "V" but thats expensive.
The single most important thing to get right is the cam and the valve timing,big valve heads, widgetts and floggle toggle valves will do nothing without a good cam. By good you need 0.4" of lift and everything else is secondary. I,m not going into the what I say is the only solution mode like some will but get the cam right, everything else is "bolt on". There are plenty of thoughts on Essex engines, try and find a copy of "the joys of six", a series of articles from Car and Car conversions if I remember correctly, and that will set you in the right direction.
The other thing which I have learn from experience is DO NOT buy cheap gaskets.
My nurse is here with my Cocoa, good luck.
Im looking for some prctical suggestions for what I might consider for the Essex rebuild.
On the list so far is
Stage 2/3 heads with unleaded coversion and big valves
new water pump
new fuel pump
carb rebuild kit.
Not sure where to go from there really?
Any thoughts or suggestion greatly received.
Any time soon there will be a bus load of experts along who may or may not have ever built an engine. We will never know.
I,ll get in quick and look for my hard hat and flack jacket. Assuming you want some more performance, and who wouldn,t from an asthmatic Essex V6. The biggest fault with the Essex is it wont breathe,( thats why the Turbo produced power, you rammed it down its throat-- that doesn,t mean Turbos were any good) it should have 6 carburettors on the exhaust ports and the exhaust manifold coming out of the middle of the "V" but thats expensive.
The single most important thing to get right is the cam and the valve timing,big valve heads, widgetts and floggle toggle valves will do nothing without a good cam. By good you need 0.4" of lift and everything else is secondary. I,m not going into the what I say is the only solution mode like some will but get the cam right, everything else is "bolt on". There are plenty of thoughts on Essex engines, try and find a copy of "the joys of six", a series of articles from Car and Car conversions if I remember correctly, and that will set you in the right direction.
The other thing which I have learn from experience is DO NOT buy cheap gaskets.
My nurse is here with my Cocoa, good luck.
Edited by thegamekeeper on Thursday 29th November 19:56
GAjon said:
I was thinking , overbore to 3.1, pistons, regrind & tufride the crank, hi lift cam, DFI 5 carb, hi flow air filter, big valve heads, that'll get you 145 at the wheels.
Then look at exhaust manifold.
Then look at exhaust manifold.
hahahahahaGood idea, but if I was going to go that bonkers I would put a Civic Type R engine in there!
Sympathetic yet practical upgrades is probably what I meant!
After all, the wife will probably end up driving it ore than me!
Stu
Hi Stu
Mine Has the Fast Road Piper Cam etc with unleaded conversion KN filter etc try and get down soon so you can give her a blast and see if it gives you what you want.
Not done by myself but by Colin who rebuilt the car about 5 years ago as he bought a rebuilt engine and then did the upgrades not sure why he took that route but i must say she goes very well.
Andrew
Mine Has the Fast Road Piper Cam etc with unleaded conversion KN filter etc try and get down soon so you can give her a blast and see if it gives you what you want.
Not done by myself but by Colin who rebuilt the car about 5 years ago as he bought a rebuilt engine and then did the upgrades not sure why he took that route but i must say she goes very well.
Andrew
Cam also strikes me as the "obvious" omission from your list ?
My Taimar engine was rebuilt for a former owner by acknowledged engine builder and tuner John Wade, along the lines of what's been suggested so far, I believe. Next step I'm told, to get the full benefit of those improvements, would be some better exhaust manifolds.
My Taimar engine was rebuilt for a former owner by acknowledged engine builder and tuner John Wade, along the lines of what's been suggested so far, I believe. Next step I'm told, to get the full benefit of those improvements, would be some better exhaust manifolds.
Oooooh, that Cocoa was luvvly the point about the cam is once its in, its in and for £200 you have the potential with other bolt on bits to release 100bhp at a cost of £200. The 5 bhp that big bore tuned length exhaust manifolds will release is £1000. If you were planning forward and wanted a race engine, which I dont think the OP is wanting then balance the crank and flywheel while building, it is one of the most complicated engines to balance, many say they can, few actually can.
Before the cross is erected, I DID not say a cam will give an increase of 100bhp, but by adding big valve heads, tripple Webers, big bore exhausts etc later then the cam is the thing which will support it. Standard cam and you can add whatever you like and it wont make any difference, it will still be astmatic.
Off for a bed bath
Before the cross is erected, I DID not say a cam will give an increase of 100bhp, but by adding big valve heads, tripple Webers, big bore exhausts etc later then the cam is the thing which will support it. Standard cam and you can add whatever you like and it wont make any difference, it will still be astmatic.
Off for a bed bath
thegamekeeper said:
Oooooh, that Cocoa was luvvly the point about the cam is once its in, its in and for £200 you have the potential with other bolt on bits to release 100bhp at a cost of £200. The 5 bhp that big bore tuned length exhaust manifolds will release is £1000. If you were planning forward and wanted a race engine, which I dont think the OP is wanting then balance the crank and flywheel while building, it is one of the most complicated engines to balance, many say they can, few actually can.
Before the cross is erected, I DID not say a cam will give an increase of 100bhp, but by adding big valve heads, tripple Webers, big bore exhausts etc later then the cam is the thing which will support it. Standard cam and you can add whatever you like and it wont make any difference, it will still be astmatic.
Off for a bed bath
Sounds like you should have been given you bed bath about 2 hours ago, but hey, them council warders in the homes are only paid peanuts, so youve gotta expect a late bath now and again.!Before the cross is erected, I DID not say a cam will give an increase of 100bhp, but by adding big valve heads, tripple Webers, big bore exhausts etc later then the cam is the thing which will support it. Standard cam and you can add whatever you like and it wont make any difference, it will still be astmatic.
Off for a bed bath
New camshaft is on the list then.
Any perhaps more/bigger carburetion too
Correct about the race engine route, as said before, if I wanted bonkers then I would plant a Jap in there, not purist, but kin quick!
Anthing else to compliment it?
Stu
edited for spelling,
Edited by hallsie on Thursday 29th November 21:53
thegamekeeper said:
Oooooh, that Cocoa was luvvly the point about the cam is once its in, its in and for £200 you have the potential with other bolt on bits to release 100bhp at a cost of £200. The 5 bhp that big bore tuned length exhaust manifolds will release is £1000. If you were planning forward and wanted a race engine, which I dont think the OP is wanting then balance the crank and flywheel while building, it is one of the most complicated engines to balance, many say they can, few actually can.
Before the cross is erected, I DID not say a cam will give an increase of 100bhp, but by adding big valve heads, tripple Webers, big bore exhausts etc later then the cam is the thing which will support it. Standard cam and you can add whatever you like and it wont make any difference, it will still be astmatic.
Off for a bed bath
Sounds like you should have been given you bed bath about 2 hours ago, but hey, them council warders in the homes are only paid peanuts, so youve gotta expect a late bath now and again.!Before the cross is erected, I DID not say a cam will give an increase of 100bhp, but by adding big valve heads, tripple Webers, big bore exhausts etc later then the cam is the thing which will support it. Standard cam and you can add whatever you like and it wont make any difference, it will still be astmatic.
Off for a bed bath
New camshaft is on the list then.
Any perhaps more/bigger carburetion too
Correct about the race engine route, as said before, if I wanted bonkers then I would plant a Jap in there, not purist, but kin quick!
Anthing else to compliment it?
Stu
edited for spelling,
Edited by hallsie on Thursday 29th November 22:11
The only thing I would add is that if you are using your original engine rather than a spare unit to tune, Boring 90 thou over to get to 3.1 will not leave you any more meat left in the engine for a future re-fresh without major money.
This website is a good read for some zero bull info on what works with the essex and where to spend your money.
I also know that as well as road engines they have built some very reliable and very powerful race engines in the past.
Click on the bottom tab on the page about tuning and read the 5 pages.
www.essexengines.com
N
This website is a good read for some zero bull info on what works with the essex and where to spend your money.
I also know that as well as road engines they have built some very reliable and very powerful race engines in the past.
Click on the bottom tab on the page about tuning and read the 5 pages.
www.essexengines.com
N
Edited by heightswitch on Thursday 29th November 22:08
hi stevehallsie said:
GAjon said:
I was thinking , overbore to 3.1, pistons, regrind & tufride the crank, hi lift cam, DFI 5 carb, hi flow air filter, big valve heads, that'll get you 145 at the wheels.
Then look at exhaust manifold.
Then look at exhaust manifold.
hahahahahaGood idea, but if I was going to go that bonkers I would put a Civic Type R engine in there!
Sympathetic yet practical upgrades is probably what I meant!
After all, the wife will probably end up driving it ore than me!
Stu
The 60 thou overbore to 3.1, good pistons, crank check grind and tufride plus a block clean and check will give you the basic integrity for you to add the go faster bits.
But its your money, your call.
As for bonkers, well, where do i start?
hallsie said:
thegamekeeper said:
Oooooh, that Cocoa was luvvly the point about the cam is once its in, its in and for £200 you have the potential with other bolt on bits to release 100bhp at a cost of £200. The 5 bhp that big bore tuned length exhaust manifolds will release is £1000. If you were planning forward and wanted a race engine, which I dont think the OP is wanting then balance the crank and flywheel while building, it is one of the most complicated engines to balance, many say they can, few actually can.
Before the cross is erected, I DID not say a cam will give an increase of 100bhp, but by adding big valve heads, tripple Webers, big bore exhausts etc later then the cam is the thing which will support it. Standard cam and you can add whatever you like and it wont make any difference, it will still be astmatic.
Off for a bed bath
Sounds like you should have been given you bed bath about 2 hours ago, but hey, them council warders in the homes are only paid peanuts, so youve gotta expect a late bath now and again.!Before the cross is erected, I DID not say a cam will give an increase of 100bhp, but by adding big valve heads, tripple Webers, big bore exhausts etc later then the cam is the thing which will support it. Standard cam and you can add whatever you like and it wont make any difference, it will still be astmatic.
Off for a bed bath
New camshaft is on the list then.
Any perhaps more/bigger carburetion too
Correct about the race engine route, as said before, if I wanted bonkers then I would plant a Jap in there, not purist, but kin quick!
Anthing else to compliment it?
Stu
edited for spelling,
Edited by hallsie on Thursday 29th November 21:53
Ooop north saying TVR and Japanese in same sentence is against the law.
Edited by thegamekeeper on Thursday 29th November 22:22
thegamekeeper said:
I am not really sure what your issue with "council homes" is, where I come from you aspired to "council". All I can say is you should see my nurse. Big carburretor is big way to waste fuel unless its matched to rest of build.
Ooop north saying TVR and Japanese in same sentence is against the law.
You not supposed to be in bed now??Ooop north saying TVR and Japanese in same sentence is against the law.
Edited by thegamekeeper on Thursday 29th November 22:22
GAjon said:
hallsie said:
GAjon said:
I was thinking , overbore to 3.1, pistons, regrind & tufride the crank, hi lift cam, DFI 5 carb, hi flow air filter, big valve heads, that'll get you 145 at the wheels.
Then look at exhaust manifold.
Then look at exhaust manifold.
hahahahahaGood idea, but if I was going to go that bonkers I would put a Civic Type R engine in there!
Sympathetic yet practical upgrades is probably what I meant!
After all, the wife will probably end up driving it ore than me!
Stu
The 60 thou overbore to 3.1, good pistons, crank check grind and tufride plus a block clean and check will give you the basic integrity for you to add the go faster bits.
But its your money, your call.
As for bonkers, well, where do i start?
Hang on, just noticed, you did!
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