Weak spark?
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hallsie

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241 months

Saturday 8th February 2014
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Im having a bit of trouble chasing the cause of a weak spark on my Taimar.

Ive got a new 12v coil, electronic pick up and cap,rotor arm and leads, and Ive bypassed the ballast resistor.

Ive run new wires from the starter up to the starter relay, and ive tested voltage at the coil at 12v, and upon cranking it drops to about 9.5v, is this correct?

Im getting a small spark from the king lead to a spare spark plug and Im getting very small sparks at all 6 plug leads, but she still wont fire!

Ive got fuel to the carb.

Any ideas?

status

259 posts

238 months

Saturday 8th February 2014
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If your ignition has a condenser, I'd try a new one if it isn't already replaced. I had one start to fail many years back - symptom was that although I could see a spark when I pulled a plug and cranked the engine, it wasn't strong enough to fire under compression.

cheers
Nick

hallsie

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2,185 posts

241 months

Saturday 8th February 2014
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Hi Status

No condensor as Ive removed the old points and replaced them with a magnetic pick up.

Stu

Cerberus90

1,553 posts

234 months

Saturday 8th February 2014
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hallsie said:
Im having a bit of trouble chasing the cause of a weak spark on my Taimar.

Ive got a new 12v coil, electronic pick up and cap,rotor arm and leads, and Ive bypassed the ballast resistor.

Ive run new wires from the starter up to the starter relay, and ive tested voltage at the coil at 12v, and upon cranking it drops to about 9.5v, is this correct?


Any ideas?
I don't know about correct, but yes, that's what happens under cranking, hence why ballasted systems were used.

If you've got a ballasted coil that is good, and a good ballast resistor, it might be worth putting that on and trying, just make sure to put a 12V to the electronic ign unit (not from coil + ).

Is the electronic setup properly and timed in? Which unit is it?

How old are the plugs?

hallsie

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241 months

Saturday 8th February 2014
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Cerberus90 said:
hallsie said:
Im having a bit of trouble chasing the cause of a weak spark on my Taimar.

Ive got a new 12v coil, electronic pick up and cap,rotor arm and leads, and Ive bypassed the ballast resistor.

Ive run new wires from the starter up to the starter relay, and ive tested voltage at the coil at 12v, and upon cranking it drops to about 9.5v, is this correct?


Any ideas?
I don't know about correct, but yes, that's what happens under cranking, hence why ballasted systems were used.

If you've got a ballasted coil that is good, and a good ballast resistor, it might be worth putting that on and trying, just make sure to put a 12V to the electronic ign unit (not from coil + ).

Is the electronic setup properly and timed in? Which unit is it?

How old are the plugs?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-V6-Essex-Electronic-Ignition-kit-with-Lucas-DLB105-/120749661812?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1c1d3d9e74
This is the unit I have bought, and it has run it it perfectly since I fited it arouund 2 months ago, I ran it up to temperature 2 weeks ago with no problems, then tried he next day and it wouldnt play!
Plugs are brand new and the engine is timed up correctly.

Im scratching my head with this now!

thanks

Stu

bluezeeland

1,965 posts

180 months

Saturday 8th February 2014
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Hi Stu,

Try de-bypassing the ballast (system should be ballasted)

Is the electronic pickup connected up correctly ?

is the earth to the engine compremised in any way ?

Please do report findings....

Frank

Edited by bluezeeland on Saturday 8th February 17:33

griff 200

509 posts

214 months

Saturday 8th February 2014
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If you need to check if 9.5 volts is the problem get a spare batt and connect it to the coil etc so the volts don't drop when cranking. Richard 9.5 v is a bit low ! as said check batt terminals and earth to chassis also engine to chassis ?? But try the second batt trick.

Edited by griff 200 on Saturday 8th February 17:33

phillpot

17,436 posts

204 months

Saturday 8th February 2014
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Try putting the ballast coil back on, without the resistor, full 12 volts will do no harm for a minute or two if the engine starts.

Do you still have all parts to go back to points/condenser to eliminate electronic ignition fault?

If you have some "jump leads" put one from battery -ve direct to engine.

hallsie

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2,185 posts

241 months

Sunday 9th February 2014
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Ive tried the old coil with the old ballast resistor, and without the ballast resistor and still nothing.

can I, as suggested, put a seperate battery to the coil and leave the other terminals connected?

Im starting to think I may have a problem with the ignition switch, so Ive ordered another one, but could there be a problem in the Starter Motor?
The wire from the starter to the starter relay is operating the relay, but Ive noticed Ive lost ignition lights now.

Stu

griff 200

509 posts

214 months

Sunday 9th February 2014
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Sorry not to be clear. Disconnect the coil from ing and power up from separate batt is what I meant. .

Cerberus90

1,553 posts

234 months

Sunday 9th February 2014
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hallsie said:
Ive tried the old coil with the old ballast resistor, and without the ballast resistor and still nothing.

can I, as suggested, put a seperate battery to the coil and leave the other terminals connected?

Im starting to think I may have a problem with the ignition switch, so Ive ordered another one, but could there be a problem in the Starter Motor?
The wire from the starter to the starter relay is operating the relay, but Ive noticed Ive lost ignition lights now.

Stu
Dodgy ign switch could cause it. If it's not making the right contacts when in the cranking position, it could stop there being power to the ign position, stopping the coil from being powered.


If the ign lights gone, the alternator won't be charging. Shouldn't affect whether it'll start or not though.

hallsie

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241 months

Sunday 16th February 2014
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Well

Who would have thought it!

As the car was sat for a while without starting, the fuel in the carb had evaporated and the float has stuck up, so not letting any fuel into it!
I could hear the return working, so assumed there was fuel up to the carb.

What a berk!

It all starts and runs again now!

Thanks for all of the thoughts and input.

Stu

prideaux

4,974 posts

170 months

Sunday 16th February 2014
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hallsie said:
Well

Who would have thought it!

As the car was sat for a while without starting, the fuel in the carb had evaporated and the float has stuck up, so not letting any fuel into it!
I could hear the return working, so assumed there was fuel up to the carb.

What a berk!

It all starts and runs again now!

Thanks for all of the thoughts and input.

Stu
Cool does that mean you have a spare US spec ignition switch hehe very rare part USA e bay may be the answer So glad its sorted maybe you can pop down soon and get your UNPOLISHED manifold wink
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