GRRC 72nd Members Meeting
Discussion
This weekend its the Revival of the GRRC meeting at Goodwood being the first time its been held in modern years its an unknown quantity as to what it will be like.
However judging by the line up and what they have planned and also based on other events such as the Revival and the speed festival it should be a fantastic weekend.
There are Two Granturas in the line up as well which is an added bonus and will be great to see them racing together with other period cars.
I thought i would start this post now so maybe others over the weekend can add pictures of the weekend from the TVR perspective can add pictures they take as we will all be taking them for different parts of the track.
This way those who have not been able to get over to the event can at least get a feel of the weekend.
And Good Luck to Both TVR teams and also FISCRACER in his Attila as well
http://www.goodwood.co.uk/revival/news-and-coverag...
However judging by the line up and what they have planned and also based on other events such as the Revival and the speed festival it should be a fantastic weekend.
There are Two Granturas in the line up as well which is an added bonus and will be great to see them racing together with other period cars.
I thought i would start this post now so maybe others over the weekend can add pictures of the weekend from the TVR perspective can add pictures they take as we will all be taking them for different parts of the track.
This way those who have not been able to get over to the event can at least get a feel of the weekend.
And Good Luck to Both TVR teams and also FISCRACER in his Attila as well
http://www.goodwood.co.uk/revival/news-and-coverag...
Edited by prideaux on Saturday 29th March 05:44
A fantastic day
Fantastic to meet Mike and his team what a fantastic friendly bunch they have done such a fantastic job to get there in such a short time.
And a great surprise to find another just finished Grantura there as well both just finished in the last week this one was a late entry as he was asked to enter only a few weeks ago.
So all in all a fantastic day too tired to say any more so here are a few pictures from the day as promised i hope others have some as well they can add as i am no Photographer
More Tomorrow
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Fantastic to meet Mike and his team what a fantastic friendly bunch they have done such a fantastic job to get there in such a short time.
And a great surprise to find another just finished Grantura there as well both just finished in the last week this one was a late entry as he was asked to enter only a few weeks ago.
So all in all a fantastic day too tired to say any more so here are a few pictures from the day as promised i hope others have some as well they can add as i am no Photographer
More Tomorrow
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Edited by prideaux on Saturday 29th March 22:42
alphaone said:
How did they do in the race?
Sorry a rather full day and just backAfraid Both cars had there problems as both cars where finished in a rush without any real time to test i quess there was going to be issues.
Sadly Williams car dropped a valve in practice and although they stripped and rebuilt the head there must have been other damage elsewhere as they just could not get her to run and yes she was sounding fantastic in the pits and out on track but sadly so was a none starter.
Mike and his team managed to start but a problem they had in practice came back to haunt them and they lost a cylinder so retired shortly after driver change over as it was a two driver race at the end of the day ending in the dark.
So rather sad but two great cars in the making and Rome was not built in a Day and both cars look and sound like there is real potential for future success once some issues are dealt with.
Well Done Guys
Just a few from today and what a great day it was i really cant believe how lucky we where with weather it was fantastic and the whole event was so well organised.
Last nights after race party was just fantastic they created a street behind the hangers and turned the hangers into stages with different bands in each to suit all tastes i loved the Brassb
ds they where fantastic.
Then the Street entertainment was a Mardi Grass with a street circus and a traditional fairground and a wall of death show all together
Just fantastic how you can get so close up to all the action
Yet get away from the noise with Friends for a cream Tea well it had to be done Yummy
Well Richard Evans (FISCARACER)1964 Attila-Chevrolet MK111 Was a real treat to see and to finally meet Richard after lots of phone calls over the last year Great to see you and the Family well done keeping that car on the road and even gaining some places in a very competitive field
What a weekend i hope others add some more pictures as i know others would love to see them
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Last nights after race party was just fantastic they created a street behind the hangers and turned the hangers into stages with different bands in each to suit all tastes i loved the Brassb
ds they where fantastic.Then the Street entertainment was a Mardi Grass with a street circus and a traditional fairground and a wall of death show all together
Just fantastic how you can get so close up to all the action
Yet get away from the noise with Friends for a cream Tea well it had to be done Yummy
Well Richard Evans (FISCARACER)1964 Attila-Chevrolet MK111 Was a real treat to see and to finally meet Richard after lots of phone calls over the last year Great to see you and the Family well done keeping that car on the road and even gaining some places in a very competitive field
What a weekend i hope others add some more pictures as i know others would love to see them
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At least Mike got a run in the IIa, poor old Will didn't even get to race. I'm afraid his engine was not built by someone who knows MGBs and he made a fundamental error. It's just a good job it didn't break the head off a valve and wreck the engine. It may be fast eventually but Rae has emptied Will's wallet at least twice so far and it was very rushed getting to the 72nd.
Mike went well initially in the 1600cc IIa, getting past one of the slower Elites and sticking with an MGB of at least 1840cc, but retired after about 30mins. It was a cracking race with Ollie Bryant in a Lotus 11 breadvan taking over at dusk with 20 mins to go, catching and beating the Ferrari breadvan and a very well driven and fast E type and harrying Simon Hadfield in a DB4GT right to the end.
Personally I'm pretty pleased to have finished so well in such exalted company in my first race. I still have a long way to go but I made it up from 25th at the end of the first lap to 18th at the end. The speed trap got me at just over 147mph - quite a lot when you sit between two 10gal fuel tanks and there's SFA in the way of run off. Car is in one piece and I'm starting to learn how it moves about under cornering load. I was 6 secs quicker than in testing a month ago, so we just need to find another 6 secs (yeah, right!) A huge step up from a MkIII Grantura or Marcos 1800GT race car
Mike went well initially in the 1600cc IIa, getting past one of the slower Elites and sticking with an MGB of at least 1840cc, but retired after about 30mins. It was a cracking race with Ollie Bryant in a Lotus 11 breadvan taking over at dusk with 20 mins to go, catching and beating the Ferrari breadvan and a very well driven and fast E type and harrying Simon Hadfield in a DB4GT right to the end.
Personally I'm pretty pleased to have finished so well in such exalted company in my first race. I still have a long way to go but I made it up from 25th at the end of the first lap to 18th at the end. The speed trap got me at just over 147mph - quite a lot when you sit between two 10gal fuel tanks and there's SFA in the way of run off. Car is in one piece and I'm starting to learn how it moves about under cornering load. I was 6 secs quicker than in testing a month ago, so we just need to find another 6 secs (yeah, right!) A huge step up from a MkIII Grantura or Marcos 1800GT race car
Great to see another two Granturas restored and out there competing, albeit briefly on this occasion.
Does anyone know if the red one is built to 1962 Mk3 spec (1622cc, 40DCOE, 4.5" rims, narrower track, no LSD) or the 1964/65 Mk3 1800 spec?
TF
Does anyone know if the red one is built to 1962 Mk3 spec (1622cc, 40DCOE, 4.5" rims, narrower track, no LSD) or the 1964/65 Mk3 1800 spec?
TF
Edited by Thurner Fan on Monday 31st March 07:55
Thurner Fan said:
Great to see another two Granturas restored and out there competing, albeit briefly on this occasion.
Does anyone know if the red one is built to 1962 Mk3 spec (1622cc, 40DCOE, 4.5" rims, narrower track, no LSD) or the 1964/65 Mk3 1800 spec?
TF
Here is a link to the car on the register if that helps Does anyone know if the red one is built to 1962 Mk3 spec (1622cc, 40DCOE, 4.5" rims, narrower track, no LSD) or the 1964/65 Mk3 1800 spec?
TF
Edited by Thurner Fan on Monday 31st March 07:55
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http://people.zeelandnet.nl/serel/8583.htm
prideaux said:
Thanks, but that history was written by US racer and former owner Bill Spohn well over a decade ago. The car was sold by Bill to a chap in Holland before Mr Penrose acquired it.The body looks to have had a nice makeover and so I was just wondering what other changes had been made recently. Given that the Goodwood race was billed as being for pre-63 cars, I am assuming that it was prepared to comply with the 1962 (i.e. Mk3) spec rather than the later Mk3 1800 spec. If it was then this would make it unique amongst the current contingent of UK race prepped Granturas, at least as far as I am aware. All the others currently racing have been built using some or all of the 1964/65 spec, even those that have made the trip over to France to compete in the Le Mans Classic which, of course, is meant to be open only to the early 1962 specification cars.
Unfortunately, I couldn't make it along to Goodwood this time to see the cars for myself.
TF
Thurner Fan said:
Thanks, but that history was written by US racer and former owner Bill Spohn well over a decade ago. The car was sold by Bill to a chap in Holland before Mr Penrose acquired it.
The body looks to have had a nice makeover and so I was just wondering what other changes had been made recently. Given that the Goodwood race was billed as being for pre-63 cars, I am assuming that it was prepared to comply with the 1962 (i.e. Mk3) spec rather than the later Mk3 1800 spec. If it was then this would make it unique amongst the current contingent of UK race prepped Granturas, at least as far as I am aware. All the others currently racing have been built using some or all of the 1964/65 spec, even those that have made the trip over to France to compete in the Le Mans Classic which, of course, is meant to be open only to the early 1962 specification cars.
Unfortunately, I couldn't make it along to Goodwood this time to see the cars for myself.
TF
No i think it was done to later spec and as it was a last min entry as someone dropped out it was invited at the last min and Goodwood allowed this spec.The body looks to have had a nice makeover and so I was just wondering what other changes had been made recently. Given that the Goodwood race was billed as being for pre-63 cars, I am assuming that it was prepared to comply with the 1962 (i.e. Mk3) spec rather than the later Mk3 1800 spec. If it was then this would make it unique amongst the current contingent of UK race prepped Granturas, at least as far as I am aware. All the others currently racing have been built using some or all of the 1964/65 spec, even those that have made the trip over to France to compete in the Le Mans Classic which, of course, is meant to be open only to the early 1962 specification cars.
Unfortunately, I couldn't make it along to Goodwood this time to see the cars for myself.
TF
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OK, thanks.
Frankly, I'd be rather surprised to see anyone spending £££ to restore a Grantura to true 1962 Mk3 spec as there seems to be only one race series out there for which a '62 car would be eligible but a later 1963-65 Mk3 1800 would not. That series is the elegant but quite-expensive-to-enter Carol Spagg pre-63 GT series and, given that the organisers at Goodwood and Le Mans don't seem to draw a distinction between the two variants, a well-heeled racer looking to do those two prestigious events would be better off incorporating the various performance advantages of the later version and trusting that the entry requirements don't ever get tightened up.
I'm looking forward to a good season for historic TVR racing and reading reports on these pages. It is now 50 years since Paddy Gaston raced his Mk3 1800 in the Spa 500km and Nurburgring 1000km world championship sports car races up against the elite of the sport.
TF
Frankly, I'd be rather surprised to see anyone spending £££ to restore a Grantura to true 1962 Mk3 spec as there seems to be only one race series out there for which a '62 car would be eligible but a later 1963-65 Mk3 1800 would not. That series is the elegant but quite-expensive-to-enter Carol Spagg pre-63 GT series and, given that the organisers at Goodwood and Le Mans don't seem to draw a distinction between the two variants, a well-heeled racer looking to do those two prestigious events would be better off incorporating the various performance advantages of the later version and trusting that the entry requirements don't ever get tightened up.
I'm looking forward to a good season for historic TVR racing and reading reports on these pages. It is now 50 years since Paddy Gaston raced his Mk3 1800 in the Spa 500km and Nurburgring 1000km world championship sports car races up against the elite of the sport.
TF
Thurner Fan said:
OK, thanks.
Frankly, I'd be rather surprised to see anyone spending £££ to restore a Grantura to true 1962 Mk3 spec as there seems to be only one race series out there for which a '62 car would be eligible but a later 1963-65 Mk3 1800 would not. That series is the elegant but quite-expensive-to-enter Carol Spagg pre-63 GT series and, given that the organisers at Goodwood and Le Mans don't seem to draw a distinction between the two variants, a well-heeled racer looking to do those two prestigious events would be better off incorporating the various performance advantages of the later version and trusting that the entry requirements don't ever get tightened up.
I'm looking forward to a good season for historic TVR racing and reading reports on these pages. It is now 50 years since Paddy Gaston raced his Mk3 1800 in the Spa 500km and Nurburgring 1000km world championship sports car races up against the elite of the sport.
TF
Yes i contacted Wills and she has been built to FIA Appendix K Regulations Frankly, I'd be rather surprised to see anyone spending £££ to restore a Grantura to true 1962 Mk3 spec as there seems to be only one race series out there for which a '62 car would be eligible but a later 1963-65 Mk3 1800 would not. That series is the elegant but quite-expensive-to-enter Carol Spagg pre-63 GT series and, given that the organisers at Goodwood and Le Mans don't seem to draw a distinction between the two variants, a well-heeled racer looking to do those two prestigious events would be better off incorporating the various performance advantages of the later version and trusting that the entry requirements don't ever get tightened up.
I'm looking forward to a good season for historic TVR racing and reading reports on these pages. It is now 50 years since Paddy Gaston raced his Mk3 1800 in the Spa 500km and Nurburgring 1000km world championship sports car races up against the elite of the sport.
TF
However i would prefer this thread remain a Celebration of a great event and not a politics thread over racing spec and regulations and i hope that others with far better pictures of the event might add theres.
It was such a wonderful chance to see this event and having the two Granturas there was a real bonus to us TVR fans plus Richards car as well even though he was not there in his Grantura.
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prideaux said:
Yes i contacted Wills and she has been built to FIA Appendix K Regulations
However i would prefer this thread remain a Celebration of a great event and not a politics thread over racing spec and regulations and i hope that others with far better pictures of the event might add theres.
It was such a wonderful chance to see this event and having the two Granturas there was a real bonus to us TVR fans plus Richards car as well even though he was not there in his Grantura.
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I agree with you and sorry if I appeared to be hijacking the thread, not my intention at all. Like you, I am a true historic TVR fan and so am just delighted to see two fresh Granturas out on track.However i would prefer this thread remain a Celebration of a great event and not a politics thread over racing spec and regulations and i hope that others with far better pictures of the event might add theres.
It was such a wonderful chance to see this event and having the two Granturas there was a real bonus to us TVR fans plus Richards car as well even though he was not there in his Grantura.
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For those that are interested in the differences between Appendix K legal Grantura variants and how that plays through to race specs and compliance with series regs there are plenty of explanatory discussions on earlier threads.
TF
Thurner Fan said:
Great to see another two Granturas restored and out there competing, albeit briefly on this occasion.
Does anyone know if the red one is built to 1962 Mk3 spec (1622cc, 40DCOE, 4.5" rims, narrower track, no LSD) or the 1964/65 Mk3 1800 spec?
TF
TF (whoever you are?) Does anyone know if the red one is built to 1962 Mk3 spec (1622cc, 40DCOE, 4.5" rims, narrower track, no LSD) or the 1964/65 Mk3 1800 spec?
TF
Edited by Thurner Fan on Monday 31st March 07:55
The car is Esper's old Mk3 which ran in the Spa 6 Hours in the mid 2000s. Will bought it after finding the 2a built by Spadge he bought was a complete wreck despite MG Motorsports best efforts at restoring it.
Will went to Rae who thought it needed a new chassis and when the body was off they decided that was rather too heavy.....Will then got the guy who built his 924 engine to rebuilt the B unit with MSX crossflow head.
So it's the later spec
I know its not TVRs but a few of you might like to see the formation lap and opening couple of laps of my race, the Surtees Trophy. Still finding my way especially with the gearbox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jovCDuJRcE8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jovCDuJRcE8
Fiscracer said:
I know its not TVRs but a few of you might like to see the formation lap and opening couple of laps of my race, the Surtees Trophy. Still finding my way especially with the gearbox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jovCDuJRcE8
Thanks Richard i hoped you would have you any pictures as well.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jovCDuJRcE8
Looked fun if a little scary
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