Lotus v Lotus

[fomb]

Score draw by the sounds of it.

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/news/industry/b...

[Streps]

Full statement on the Team Lotus website aswell.
http://www.teamlotus.co.uk/news/2011/we-are-team-l...

As for both sides claiming victory...
Was it not all about team lotus keeping their name and they have.

Edited by Streps on Friday 27th May 14:46

[DanB7290]

Hmm, nothing on the Group Lotus website though. I wonder how this'll pan out, I'm guessing they'll both be allowed to be called Lotus and there'll be 4 cars with Lotus written on them?

[Teppic]

So only Group Lotus can use "Lotus" on it's own, and Team Lotus can use "Team Lotus".

Thanks to Mr Justice Peter Smith for clearing that one up.

Group Lotus are, unsurprisingly, going to appeal.

[Charlie Foxtrot]

So Lotus won yeah? Team Lotus (green) are still Team Lotus and the other Lotus are still Lotus sponsors of Renault?

[llewop]

Streps said:

As for both sides claiming victory...

... Group Lotus are apparently planning to appeal...which kind of suggests they didn't 'win' what they wanted...

[Munter]

llewop said:

... Group Lotus are apparently planning to appeal...which kind of suggests they didn't 'win' what they wanted...

It'd be odd to appeal against the result of something they won I agree.

Group Lotus were never going to lose the rights to use "Lotus". So the only thing they could win was blocking the use of Team Lotus by another. And that didn't happen.

The question in my mind is why appeal. The evidence will not change. This is old ground not something where a new development might happen.

Edited by Munter on Friday 27th May 15:24

[llewop]

Munter said:

It'd be odd to appeal against the result of something they won I agree.

Group Lotus were never going to lose the rights to use "Lotus". So the only thing they could win was blocking the use of Team Lotus by another. And that didn't happen.

The question in my mind is why appeal. The evidence will not change. This is old ground not something where a new development might happen.

Edited by Munter on Friday 27th May 15:24

I think the bit that Group Lotus could have lost was to use 'Lotus' in F1 and the black and gold, as the counter-argument was it 'belonged' to Team Lotus, since Group Lotus never raced in F1 before... or something like that!

[[k]arl]

I've not had a chance to read it through yet, but for those interested, here is the full text of the judgement:

http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cgi?doc=/ew/c...

[k]

[rdjohn]

Tony Fernandes put it quite succinctly, “It is only like having Manchester Utd and Manchester City in the Premiership”.

It really is not all complicated and will probably be resolves when the ever expanding plans of Group Lotus end up in bankruptcy.

Tony Fernandes seems an honourable guy; Dany Bahar seems a bit of a plonker.

[anonymous-user]

RD JOhn said,
It really is not all complicated and will probably be resolved when the ever expanding plans of Group Lotus end up in bankruptcy.

A I've said before you need to understand Malaysian business, to fully understand why this happend, the above quote is right on the money, I understand the Malaysian cabanit meet late last week to discuss pulling government money out of F1 and how they can terminate the ongoing agreement to fund the sepang race.

As to the argument that Team Lotus damage the brand by being at the back of the grid, the damage they do is not half as much as seeing protons driving around with handling by lotus badges on them. The new R3 Proton satria that proton had on show at Sepang last week was awfull.