Virgin technical link-up with McLaren
Virgin technical link-up with McLaren
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Fire99

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9,865 posts

258 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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MiniMan64

19,337 posts

219 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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Seems a smart one, all the "big" teams seem to have links with smaller teams these days, B-Team anyone?

Scuffers

20,887 posts

303 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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MiniMan64 said:
B-Team anyone?
can't see that, this is not much different that the Force India deal some time back

MiniMan64

19,337 posts

219 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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Scuffers said:
MiniMan64 said:
B-Team anyone?
can't see that, this is not much different that the Force India deal some time back
Seems to be the way forward though doesn't it? How long before Virgin take a Merc engine? Or more likely a new McLaren engine in what, 2014? 2015?

Mark-C

7,581 posts

234 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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Good that they really seem interested in staying for the long haul.

Nick3point2

3,920 posts

209 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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MiniMan64 said:
Seems to be the way forward though doesn't it? How long before Virgin take a Merc engine? Or more likely a new McLaren engine in what, 2014? 2015?
Merc are already supplying engines to 3 teams, so unless Renault can get the limit overturned, I don't see anyone switching to the Cosworth engine it would free up...

skinny

5,269 posts

264 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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anyone else find it strange that virgin dump wirth research and then buy out their banbury site?

Scuffers

20,887 posts

303 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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skinny said:
anyone else find it strange that virgin dump wirth research and then buy out their banbury site?
not really, if they felt they were over-paying for something and they were the only 'real' customer, makes perfect sence.

Life Saab Itch

37,069 posts

217 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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MiniMan64 said:
Seems to be the way forward though doesn't it? How long before Virgin take a Merc engine? Or more likely a new McLaren engine in what, 2014? 2015?
That would guarantee McLaren some long term business from a company that hasn't even been started yet.

Good move by Uncle Ron I'd say.

Zad

13,005 posts

265 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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It may or may not be relevant that I got this job in my in-box the other day:
http://www.jobserve.com/Head-of-Reliability-and-En...


Job Advert said:
Head of Reliability and Engine Liaison
Permanent
Manor Grand Prix Racing Limited have established the position of Head of Reliability and Engine Liaison primarily to lead the newly-created Reliability Department. As Head of Department you will be expected to lead a small team of engineers who will be responsible for continuous improvement of the reliability of the F1 car.

The following skills and experience will be required;
Degree in Mechanical Engineering
Several years' experience in a reliability engineering role with a minimum of 1 years' experience in Formula One
Knowledge of MES software including ATLAS/vTAG essential
Excellent communication and technical report writing skills
Advanced MS Excel including VBA programming
Experience of engine calibration and analysis for high performance racing engines
Knowledge of lap simulation with regard to guidance to our partner on engine set-up Travel to all F1 races a requirement

Closing date 20/07/2011
Location Sheffield, South Yorkshire
Country UK
Start Date ASAP
Rate Competitive

MiniMan64

19,337 posts

219 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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Life Saab Itch said:
MiniMan64 said:
Seems to be the way forward though doesn't it? How long before Virgin take a Merc engine? Or more likely a new McLaren engine in what, 2014? 2015?
That would guarantee McLaren some long term business from a company that hasn't even been started yet.

Good move by Uncle Ron I'd say.
I'd say that would be the plan, given they've now effectively seperated from Merc and that building their own engines must surely be on the cards soon given their road car programme. They don't want to be keep being a customer team of Merc, who like Ferrari sell their engines around and Red Bull have got Torro Rosso.


Mike Raffone

1,204 posts

216 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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Zad said:
It may or may not be relevant that I got this job in my in-box the other day:
http://www.jobserve.com/Head-of-Reliability-and-En...


Job Advert said:
Head of Reliability and Engine Liaison
Permanent
Manor Grand Prix Racing Limited have established the position of Head of Reliability and Engine Liaison primarily to lead the newly-created Reliability Department. As Head of Department you will be expected to lead a small team of engineers who will be responsible for continuous improvement of the reliability of the F1 car.

The following skills and experience will be required;
Degree in Mechanical Engineering
Several years' experience in a reliability engineering role with a minimum of 1 years' experience in Formula One
Knowledge of MES software including ATLAS/vTAG essential
Excellent communication and technical report writing skills
Advanced MS Excel including VBA programming
Experience of engine calibration and analysis for high performance racing engines
Knowledge of lap simulation with regard to guidance to our partner on engine set-up Travel to all F1 races a requirement

Closing date 20/07/2011
Location Sheffield, South Yorkshire
Country UK
Start Date ASAP
Rate Competitive
WooHoo! Dinnington on the map for something other than having a defunct brass band biggrin
Still a shame having to see the VR logo on their office though -to me, they're Manor!
Here's hoping they sign the deal and McLaren decide to expand up north - come on Ron, Lewsi and Jenson, come visit dinnington and its neigbouring villages.

Mike Raffone

1,204 posts

216 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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MiniMan64 said:
Life Saab Itch said:
MiniMan64 said:
Seems to be the way forward though doesn't it? How long before Virgin take a Merc engine? Or more likely a new McLaren engine in what, 2014? 2015?
That would guarantee McLaren some long term business from a company that hasn't even been started yet.

Good move by Uncle Ron I'd say.
I'd say that would be the plan, given they've now effectively seperated from Merc and that building their own engines must surely be on the cards soon given their road car programme. They don't want to be keep being a customer team of Merc, who like Ferrari sell their engines around and Red Bull have got Torro Rosso.
My conspiracy mind has led me to believe they are building their own engines for 2015 as Mercedes wanted out.
Mercedes wanted out due to McLaren going from an F1 team, to a manufacturer (12c) - which will lead to stepping on many'a-toes along the way.

Probably wrong, but it's the way I think biggrin

MiniMan64

19,337 posts

219 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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Mike Raffone said:
MiniMan64 said:
Life Saab Itch said:
MiniMan64 said:
Seems to be the way forward though doesn't it? How long before Virgin take a Merc engine? Or more likely a new McLaren engine in what, 2014? 2015?
That would guarantee McLaren some long term business from a company that hasn't even been started yet.

Good move by Uncle Ron I'd say.
I'd say that would be the plan, given they've now effectively seperated from Merc and that building their own engines must surely be on the cards soon given their road car programme. They don't want to be keep being a customer team of Merc, who like Ferrari sell their engines around and Red Bull have got Torro Rosso.
My conspiracy mind has led me to believe they are building their own engines for 2015 as Mercedes wanted out.
Mercedes wanted out due to McLaren going from an F1 team, to a manufacturer (12c) - which will lead to stepping on many'a-toes along the way.

Probably wrong, but it's the way I think biggrin
That's kind of what I was trying to infer with my post! hehe

Life Saab Itch

37,069 posts

217 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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I don't think McLaren or Merc would deny that...

Scuffers

20,887 posts

303 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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Mike Raffone said:
My conspiracy mind has led me to believe they are building their own engines for 2015 as Mercedes wanted out.
Mercedes wanted out due to McLaren going from an F1 team, to a manufacturer (12c) - which will lead to stepping on many'a-toes along the way.

Probably wrong, but it's the way I think biggrin
not sure that's the start of it, was it not more to do with Merc wanting to take over McLaren but being rebuffed?

speedtwelve

3,546 posts

302 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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Mike Raffone said:
WooHoo! Dinnington on the map for something other than having a defunct brass band biggrin
Still a shame having to see the VR logo on their office though -to me, they're Manor!
Here's hoping they sign the deal and McLaren decide to expand up north - come on Ron, Lewsi and Jenson, come visit dinnington and its neigbouring villages.
As a former resident, I'm sure they'd all love a Saturday night out in Maltby!

Zad

13,005 posts

265 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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I was surprised to see the location too, I thought they had moved all the main stuff to Northamptonshire.