Hamilton and the FIA what does he have to do
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As I said on the Spa GP thread I'm not particularly a Hamilton fan, but you have to ask what does he have to do, there have been some contentious incidents this year and he has been penalised rightly or wrongly, he has effectively said he thinks he is being picked on. Then this weekend he is driving round on a cool down lap and is hit by another car, somehow he gets a reprimand for it, then in the race he appears to get taken out by another car having overtaken it and the incident doesn't even get investigated. He does seem to be involved in more incidents than most, but so was Senna.
You have to wonder is he right.
You have to wonder is he right.
the treatment this weekend was certainly bizarre.
The stewards have investigated, as far as I can tell, EVERY on-track contact, even when they award no penalty. For this crash they didn't even investigate. This is suspicious - the incident itself could easily be 50/50 but why no investigation?
watching the replay on the BBC now, I can see Kobayashi turn in and have significant steering lock when he hits LH.
The stewards have investigated, as far as I can tell, EVERY on-track contact, even when they award no penalty. For this crash they didn't even investigate. This is suspicious - the incident itself could easily be 50/50 but why no investigation?
watching the replay on the BBC now, I can see Kobayashi turn in and have significant steering lock when he hits LH.
As far as I'm aware, Lewis was reprimanded for overtaking Maldonado in the final chicane, not for anything to do with the later incident on the cool-down lap. That makes some sense - it was aggressive and not normal qualifying behaviour, but he was on a fast lap and Maldonado was in his way and could/should have moved over, so don't penalise Lewis for that.
As for the Kobayashi episode, both DC and Martin Brundle were surprised that that wasn't being investigated, I wasn't remotely shocked by that. I thought the same as the stewards seem to have done - pure racing incident, but if you're going to blame anyone, why the hell was Hamilton cutting back wide across Kobayashi's face like that? He had the inside line and should have used it to his advantage. Looked like he thought he was well clear, so moved over to get the best entry he could, but Kobayashi was still there.
As for the Kobayashi episode, both DC and Martin Brundle were surprised that that wasn't being investigated, I wasn't remotely shocked by that. I thought the same as the stewards seem to have done - pure racing incident, but if you're going to blame anyone, why the hell was Hamilton cutting back wide across Kobayashi's face like that? He had the inside line and should have used it to his advantage. Looked like he thought he was well clear, so moved over to get the best entry he could, but Kobayashi was still there.
I think the accident was Hamilton's fault, but what i can't understand is what did Kobiyashi think he was going to achieve, apart from impeding his own speed into the corner and possibly risking a shunt.
Lewis shouldn't have moved across without checking, but I can't see one single thing that Kobi could have achieved by doing what he did.
All I'd add though is, this is the first time I think i've seen LH do the move from one side of the track to the other and hitting a car as a result of doing so. It's a good job for him that such behaviour regularly goes penalty free in modern F1.
Lewis shouldn't have moved across without checking, but I can't see one single thing that Kobi could have achieved by doing what he did.
All I'd add though is, this is the first time I think i've seen LH do the move from one side of the track to the other and hitting a car as a result of doing so. It's a good job for him that such behaviour regularly goes penalty free in modern F1.
Use Psychology said:
ovetaking on a qualifying lap is completely permissible and not aggressive at all.
I didn't mean "overtaking" generally, obviously! The specific move Hamilton pulled, he did technically have overlap on Maldonado but there was still contact and I can see how the stewards would have taken a slightly dim view of lunging in like that. I'd have done it myself and expected Maldonado to move for me, but it was Hamilton's move, it caused a collision, and the stewards do like to run a tight ship.Adrian W said:
you have to ask what does he have to do
All the other top drivers managed to get to the finish, hamilton didn’t as he just doesn’t seem to get that he has to be aware of what is going on around him and get to the finish of a race.He has bucket loads of raw driving talent, but has a relativley terrible understanding of what it takes to convincingly win a world championship, he could do with looking at some of the greats and understanding their mentality . . . . Prost for example, understood that a championship season is a long time and did what needed to be done to win the championship, even if it meant losing out on the relatively short term goal of a race win. Senna learnt a lot from Prost on this and that combined with his raw pace is what made Senna so special.
If hamilton ever actually gets it, he’ll be a multiple champion, however IMHO he’s already become a little too arrogant and closed to the concept of self-improvement, which is why he’s constantly in the middle of problems, where his team mate, in an identical car, is arguably doing a better job of trying to win the drivers and constructors championship
AndrewW-G said:
All the other top drivers managed to get to the finish, hamilton didn’t as he just doesn’t seem to get that he has to be aware of what is going on around him and get to the finish of a race.
He has bucket loads of raw driving talent, but has a relativley terrible understanding of what it takes to convincingly win a world championship, he could do with looking at some of the greats and understanding their mentality . . . . Prost for example, understood that a championship season is a long time and did what needed to be done to win the championship, even if it meant losing out on the relatively short term goal of a race win. Senna learnt a lot from Prost on this and that combined with his raw pace is what made Senna so special.
If hamilton ever actually gets it, he’ll be a multiple champion, however IMHO he’s already become a little too arrogant and closed to the concept of self-improvement, which is why he’s constantly in the middle of problems, where his team mate, in an identical car, is arguably doing a better job of trying to win the drivers and constructors championship
I'm not sure i'd agree with that too much. Hamilton generally does not do the move across without looking too much, but he's been on the receiving end of it a lot. I don't know why this driving goes unpunished. He has bucket loads of raw driving talent, but has a relativley terrible understanding of what it takes to convincingly win a world championship, he could do with looking at some of the greats and understanding their mentality . . . . Prost for example, understood that a championship season is a long time and did what needed to be done to win the championship, even if it meant losing out on the relatively short term goal of a race win. Senna learnt a lot from Prost on this and that combined with his raw pace is what made Senna so special.
If hamilton ever actually gets it, he’ll be a multiple champion, however IMHO he’s already become a little too arrogant and closed to the concept of self-improvement, which is why he’s constantly in the middle of problems, where his team mate, in an identical car, is arguably doing a better job of trying to win the drivers and constructors championship
heebeegeetee said:
I'm not sure i'd agree with that too much. Hamilton generally does not do the move across without looking too much, but he's been on the receiving end of it a lot. I don't know why this driving goes unpunished.
In Monaco it was the fault of the driver in front, yesterday it was the fault of the driver alongside, today it was the fault of the driver behind, the only common factor in all these incidents has been lewis hamilton . . . . If Alonso can give way to Webber, then why cannot hamilton give Kobi room, it seens that Nikki Lauda would agreeAndrewW-G said:
In Monaco it was the fault of the driver in front, yesterday it was the fault of the driver alongside, today it was the fault of the driver behind, the only common factor in all these incidents has been lewis hamilton . . . . If Alonso can give way to Webber, then why cannot hamilton give Kobi room, it seens that Nikki Lauda would agree
Is LH involved in more incidents or is the magnifying glass much bigger?I know F1 drivers are good, but I think that move was more luck than judgement, would love to have seen it from above.
AndrewW-G said:
All the other top drivers managed to get to the finish, hamilton didn’t as he just doesn’t seem to get that he has to be aware of what is going on around him and get to the finish of a race.
He has bucket loads of raw driving talent, but has a relativley terrible understanding of what it takes to convincingly win a world championship, he could do with looking at some of the greats and understanding their mentality . . . . Prost for example, understood that a championship season is a long time and did what needed to be done to win the championship, even if it meant losing out on the relatively short term goal of a race win. Senna learnt a lot from Prost on this and that combined with his raw pace is what made Senna so special.
If hamilton ever actually gets it, he’ll be a multiple champion, however IMHO he’s already become a little too arrogant and closed to the concept of self-improvement, which is why he’s constantly in the middle of problems, where his team mate, in an identical car, is arguably doing a better job of trying to win the drivers and constructors championship
An F1 driver? Arrogant?He has bucket loads of raw driving talent, but has a relativley terrible understanding of what it takes to convincingly win a world championship, he could do with looking at some of the greats and understanding their mentality . . . . Prost for example, understood that a championship season is a long time and did what needed to be done to win the championship, even if it meant losing out on the relatively short term goal of a race win. Senna learnt a lot from Prost on this and that combined with his raw pace is what made Senna so special.
If hamilton ever actually gets it, he’ll be a multiple champion, however IMHO he’s already become a little too arrogant and closed to the concept of self-improvement, which is why he’s constantly in the middle of problems, where his team mate, in an identical car, is arguably doing a better job of trying to win the drivers and constructors championship
Surely you jest!
Use Psychology said:
hamilton has incidents when overtaking more often because he overtakes so much more often than other drivers, particularly before this year. The team even use strategies they wouldn't for other drivers because they know LH can make the passes.
Jake said today post race that Jenson has done more overtakes this year than anyone.I read that the reprimand was for the overtake on the previous chicane, not the post qualifying wheel banging. If that is true, LH should count himself lucky that the stewards didn't chose to investigate the KK accident as in all likelihood he would have received some form of penalty to be applied at the next race.
He does seem to find himself in the headmaster's office more than most and I think the only consistent contributory factor in this is his character and racing style (for better or worse!)
He does seem to find himself in the headmaster's office more than most and I think the only consistent contributory factor in this is his character and racing style (for better or worse!)
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