That 'one move' rule - time to go??

[Woody]

So after all the moaning by other drivers (mainly those that couldn't get past.....) about Schuey's driving is it time that this rule is dropped??

Lets face it these guys are supposed to be the 'best in the world', and having watched the race Schuey's movements weren't that bad. It's not like he was swerving all over the road - all seemed pretty fair to me.

Far worse goes on in other forms of motor racing - some of the moves/tactics in the BTCC are eye watering.

Does this 'one move' rule exist in LMES or anything else??

Is it about time that the FIA revise the rule to 'reasonable defence' of a position??

Chris

[superkartracer]

Yes! it's a load of bks.

[Life Saab Itch]

superkartracer said:

Yes! it's a load of bks.

This.

Treat them like men so they don't have a crappy rule to hide behind.

[Use Psychology]

if we ditch blue flags as well, then by all means.

[Greeny]

Life Saab Itch said:

superkartracer said:

Yes! it's a load of bks.

This.

Treat them like men so they don't have a crappy rule to hide behind.

You do realise the conequenses of allowing a driver to swerve about on the track to block a slower driver behind, or have I missed a whoosh parrot?

(I am not saying MSC was doing this by the way)

[superkartracer]

Greeny said:

You do realise the conequenses of allowing a driver to swerve about on the track to block a slower driver behind, or have I missed a whoosh parrot?

(I am not saying MSC was doing this by the way)

He'd prob die so drivers don't do that

[rallycross]

Clearly you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Maybe this version of F1 is more suited to you;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKVEeMgSDxE

[Woody]

These are 'professional', 'top level' drivers - if they're swerving all over the road they have no place in F1.

There's a difference between being a dick and driving defensively, what Schuey did in Hungary last year to Rubens was unacceptable (driving like a dick), I thought what he did with Lewis was acceptable - Jenson had no problem getting past .

Don't remember blue flags when I raced kart's - and we didn't have mirrors.....

[superkartracer]

rallycross said:

Clearly you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Maybe this version of F1 is more suited to you;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKVEeMgSDxE

Racing karts @ 100mph+ demands respect and skill, you drive like a turd you die, simple really... same as FF/F3/F1 etc

[EDLT]

Is this an F1 only rule, because you never hear anyone complaining about it in other motorsports, not even from Jason Plato.

[mollytherocker]

Use Psychology said:

if we ditch blue flags as well, then by all means.

. Fair point.

MTR

[telecat]

These are OPEN WHEEL Cars. You can see the consequences of diving around the track in Indycars. When the wheels touch these cars will fly. Schumacher's "antics" brought the rule in. As far as I can see he still disregards the rules. The Driver Steward at Monza was Derek Daly who WOULD have imposed a penalty or at least asked the other stewards to impose it if they hadn't been looking at the Massa/Webber incident.

[hornet]

Greeny said:

You do realise the conequenses of allowing a driver to swerve about on the track to block a slower driver behind, or have I missed a whoosh parrot?

(I am not saying MSC was doing this by the way)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6UZ2MgxASE&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLFE1F9F33CE741934

[Phil-CH]

Woody said:

These are 'professional', 'top level' drivers - if they're swerving all over the road they have no place in F1.

Unfortunately this doesn't work. If there are no rules, than on which grounds are you going to punish a driver for driving without respect, if that in the end is subjective? Take a driver who defends his line agressively by making a multiple series of moves to block a quicker driver - as long as it's safe, it's supposed to be ok? Rules are there to set a guidline on what is allowed and what isn't on the track. If a rule is broken, it should be enforced otherwise you'll have inconsistancy which is even worse than having no rules.

The problem isn't the rule - it's that isn't always being enforced consistantly. Schumachers driving was excellent but he did overstep at one point when he forced Lewis onto the grass. The rule [crowding another car beyond the track] should have been enforced there, as it could have been a result of a very dangerous accident.

[robmlufc]

Use Psychology said:

if we ditch blue flags as well, then by all means.

Keep blue flags but adopt sportscar rules of giving them a good ignoring, works at Le Mans so good enough for me.

[Derek Smith]

Schumacher was the one who instigated the rule change back in 1998: see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FoNBq1AHXw

Hill was defending his second position in a much slower car. His actions were, whilst not normal for the time, not that unusual. Schumacher had done something much, much worse:

see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up34H43ZTCk

and had decided to attack Hill's actions post race, calling them dangerous, to deflect attention away from what he had done to his fellow German.

Hill's actions were out of order but it is rather ironic that the one who felt it worthy of comment was Schuey.

[Woody]

Phil-CH said:

Unfortunately this doesn't work. If there are no rules, than on which grounds are you going to punish a driver for driving without respect, if that in the end is subjective? Take a driver who defends his line agressively by making a multiple series of moves to block a quicker driver - as long as it's safe, it's supposed to be ok? Rules are there to set a guidline on what is allowed and what isn't on the track. If a rule is broken, it should be enforced otherwise you'll have inconsistancy which is even worse than having no rules.

The problem isn't the rule - it's that isn't always being enforced consistantly. Schumachers driving was excellent but he did overstep at one point when he forced Lewis onto the grass. The rule [crowding another car beyond the track] should have been enforced there, as it could have been a result of a very dangerous accident.

Fair enough, I do get the point about having to have rules.

With regard to 'crowding another car' didn't hear Vettel moaning about Alonso when he squeezed him onto the grass as he went past for the lead.

Another point - ex-driver stewards. I'm all for them having these but can we atleast have guy's that have raced in the last 10-15 years??? Derek Daly last raced in F1 30 years ago!

[DanDC5]

EDLT said:

Is this an F1 only rule, because you never hear anyone complaining about it in other motorsports, not even from Jason Plato.

He's only not complaining about swerving because he can't get close enough at the moment still.

[Phil-CH]

Woody said:

With regard to 'crowding another car' didn't hear Vettel moaning about Alonso when he squeezed him onto the grass as he went past for the lead.

Just because you didn't 'hear' it, doesn't mean there wasn't anything. I believe not all radio transmissions are played on the broadcast. Then again, Vettel did get past, so what was there to moan about? Doesn't mean it wasn't right or a close call. And for the record, I believe if you pay close attention to just after the race, you can tell that Vettel did make a remark to Alonso.

[jeffw]

Vettel had Alonso reported to the stewards...