Just Dreaming...Cars you wish they would homologate

[Fantuzzi]

The initial message was deleted from this topic on 28 April 2012 at 19:16

[Life Saab Itch]

The people that need the kick up the arse are the FIA and the national bodies (MSA etc).

If they put in the rules that 500 of the type of car to be raced had to be produced in the same drive layout (Citroen DS3 4wd), with the same actuation for gearchanges (ie paddle/sequential) and with the same engine block type, cylinder head type and turbo housing type, then you would have properly interesting toys for sale in the dealerships.




Take for instance the Civics in the BTCC. When they had the type R engine, Honda didn't make a 5 door type R, now Honda don't make a 1.6 turbo 5 door Civic iirc.


It's a shame, because if they did make a 5 door civic type R I'd be all over it like a particularly bad case of herpes.


Not the manufacturer's fault.

[Fantuzzi]

Life Saab Itch said:

The people that need the kick up the arse are the FIA and the national bodies (MSA etc).


Not the manufacturer's fault.

Not saying it is...

[cragswinter]

Life Saab Itch said:

The people that need the kick up the arse are the FIA and the national bodies (MSA etc).

If they put in the rules that 500 of the type of car to be raced had to be produced in the same drive layout (Citroen DS3 4wd), with the same actuation for gearchanges (ie paddle/sequential) and with the same engine block type, cylinder head type and turbo housing type, then you would have properly interesting toys for sale in the dealerships.

Or the manufacturers might just say bks to that, we'll just find a race series that doesn't require us to create a loss leading homolgation special.

[chrisobrien54]

I'm out my depth before even thinking about replying to this thread, but...

The Mk1 Focus wasn't a bad stab at it, kind of, by Ford.

It's a far cry from a WRC car, but by all accounts a mean little drive.

[garycat]

cragswinter said:

Or the manufacturers might just say bks to that, we'll just find a race series that doesn't require us to create a loss leading homolgation special.

+1

There's just no demand any more for the Imprezas, Evos, Deltas, Celica GT-Fours etc that made rallying great in the 90's

[Vocal Minority]

Life Saab Itch said:

The people that need the kick up the arse are the FIA and the national bodies (MSA etc).

If they put in the rules that 500 of the type of car to be raced had to be produced in the same drive layout (Citroen DS3 4wd), with the same actuation for gearchanges (ie paddle/sequential) and with the same engine block type, cylinder head type and turbo housing type, then you would have properly interesting toys for sale in the dealerships.




Take for instance the Civics in the BTCC. When they had the type R engine, Honda didn't make a 5 door type R, now Honda don't make a 1.6 turbo 5 door Civic iirc.


It's a shame, because if they did make a 5 door civic type R I'd be all over it like a particularly bad case of herpes.


Not the manufacturer's fault.

The other side of that being that if they had to do that, would the manufacturers bother? In the 80s they did...but now?

[Rude-boy]

garycat said:

There's just no demand any more for the Imprezas, Evos, Deltas, Celica GT-Fours etc that made rallying great in the 90's

Which is why so many of the Group A and B cars are utterly worthless today and no one will give you 4 beans for one...

Imprezas and Evos are a different story because there was no limit on how many where made and you could buy a 'normal' one with 95% of the performance at 50% or less of the cost of a 'special' one.

[EDLT]

cragswinter said:

Life Saab Itch said:

The people that need the kick up the arse are the FIA and the national bodies (MSA etc).

If they put in the rules that 500 of the type of car to be raced had to be produced in the same drive layout (Citroen DS3 4wd), with the same actuation for gearchanges (ie paddle/sequential) and with the same engine block type, cylinder head type and turbo housing type, then you would have properly interesting toys for sale in the dealerships.

Or the manufacturers might just say bks to that, we'll just find a race series that doesn't require us to create a loss leading homolgation special.

That is exactly what will happen. Manufacturer teams are all about money and pull out of motorsport the second it is too expensive, anything that required homologation specials would have exactly zero entries. Any championship they do enter is quickly ruined by there massive budgets that force out smaller teams then disappear just as fast leaving half empty grids trying to race with old cars that are far too expensive to keep running (See touring cars, rallying, some sports cars).

Also, most homologation specials were extremely expensive and ended up being wrapped in cotton wool and never driven so most people never see one never mind get the chance to buy one.

Why are manufacturers considered such an important part of racing?

[aeropilot]

Life Saab Itch said:

The people that need the kick up the arse are the FIA and the national bodies (MSA etc).

If they put in the rules that 500 of the type of car to be raced had to be produced in the same drive layout (Citroen DS3 4wd), with the same actuation for gearchanges (ie paddle/sequential) and with the same engine block type, cylinder head type and turbo housing type, then you would have properly interesting toys for sale in the dealerships.




Take for instance the Civics in the BTCC. When they had the type R engine, Honda didn't make a 5 door type R, now Honda don't make a 1.6 turbo 5 door Civic iirc.


It's a shame, because if they did make a 5 door civic type R I'd be all over it like a particularly bad case of herpes.


Not the manufacturer's fault.

Err......I think you'll find that it was the manufacturers putting pressure on the FiA to end homologation rules forcing them to make X number of specials that means we are where we are today.

[F1GTRUeno]

EDLT said:

Why are manufacturers considered such an important part of racing?

People like variety.

One make series are boring as sin.

[davepoth]

F1GTRUeno said:

EDLT said:

Why are manufacturers considered such an important part of racing?

People like variety.

One make series are boring as sin.

He means works teams rather than different models of car, I think. It's a lot easier to spend to succeed in racing now - 50 years ago it was still just possible to turn up at a GT race, unscrew the numberplates, win, and then screw the numberplates back on. That's unlikely nowadays as the cars are far too specialised.

[Fast Fuse]

Life Saab Itch said:

Take for instance the Civics in the BTCC. When they had the type R engine, Honda didn't make a 5 door type R, now Honda don't make a 1.6 turbo 5 door Civic iirc.


It's a shame, because if they did make a 5 door civic type R I'd be all over it like a particularly bad case of herpes.

Agreed!

I thought they missed a trick with that Civic Ti they came out with. It certainly looked good IMO, if they'd plonked the Type R lump in there (instead of just fitting it with a load of Pioneer sat-nav, etc), I reckon that would have been a seriously cool car.