Le Mans test day times
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Audi fatsest, but Toyota closer than any petrol car has been for some time. Shows, major manufacturer and ££ is what counts not what tyope of fuel is being used
GT looks very close
Fortunately the Delta Wing looks to be way off the pace. I would have hated something that looks that ridiculous to be fast
FP1
http://www.dailysportscar.com/Uploads/Le_Mans_Test...
FP2
http://www.dailysportscar.com/Uploads/Le_Mans_Test...
Audi fatsest, but Toyota closer than any petrol car has been for some time. Shows, major manufacturer and ££ is what counts not what tyope of fuel is being used
GT looks very close
Fortunately the Delta Wing looks to be way off the pace. I would have hated something that looks that ridiculous to be fast
FP1
http://www.dailysportscar.com/Uploads/Le_Mans_Test...
FP2
http://www.dailysportscar.com/Uploads/Le_Mans_Test...
freedman said:
Fortunately the Delta Wing looks to be way off the pace. I would have hated something that looks that ridiculous to be fast
FP1
http://www.dailysportscar.com/Uploads/Le_Mans_Test...
FP2
http://www.dailysportscar.com/Uploads/Le_Mans_Test...
Each to their own - personally I like to see radical things do well.FP1
http://www.dailysportscar.com/Uploads/Le_Mans_Test...
FP2
http://www.dailysportscar.com/Uploads/Le_Mans_Test...
Anyway, when I clicked on the link I expected it to be dead last - looks like it's doing fine to me. Why so negative?
Randy Winkman said:
Each to their own - personally I like to see radical things do well.
Anyway, when I clicked on the link I expected it to be dead last - looks like it's doing fine to me. Why so negative?
Personal thing, I think it looks ridiculus, and totally unlike a race carAnyway, when I clicked on the link I expected it to be dead last - looks like it's doing fine to me. Why so negative?
If it were running at Bonneville it would look completely inkeeping, but it isnt
Others will no doubt think its a great piece of thinking and enjoy it though
freedman said:
Personal thing, I think it looks ridiculus, and totally unlike a race car
If it were running at Bonneville it would look completely inkeeping, but it isnt
Others will no doubt think its a great piece of thinking and enjoy it though
I think that it's similar to the Porsche 911.If it were running at Bonneville it would look completely inkeeping, but it isnt
Others will no doubt think its a great piece of thinking and enjoy it though
The designer has set themselves a challenge by introducing a ridiculous design flaw that they then have to engineer out of the car as best they can.
Just think what they could have done if they'd gone for a conventional layout and applied the same thinking to that.
freedman said:
Randy Winkman said:
Each to their own - personally I like to see radical things do well.
Anyway, when I clicked on the link I expected it to be dead last - looks like it's doing fine to me. Why so negative?
Personal thing, I think it looks ridiculus, and totally unlike a race carAnyway, when I clicked on the link I expected it to be dead last - looks like it's doing fine to me. Why so negative?
If it were running at Bonneville it would look completely inkeeping, but it isnt
Others will no doubt think its a great piece of thinking and enjoy it though
Highcroft Racing said:
Invited to compete under the Automobile Club de l’Ouest’s “Garage 56” classification that showcases new and innovative technology, the Nissan DeltaWing completed 54 laps with drivers Michael Krumm, Satoshi Motoyama and Marino Franchitti at the wheel.
The team enjoyed a virtually trouble-free day and completed every lap but one on a single set of Michelin slick tires. A sole lap on wet tires during a brief rain shower was the only time the team switched tires all day.
Motoyama completed the fastest lap of the day at 3 minutes, 47.980 seconds. The Nissan DeltaWing technical, team led by concept originator Ben Bowlby, believe they are comfortably within reach of their target pace of 3 minutes, 45 seconds as requested by race officials.
Full details hereThe team enjoyed a virtually trouble-free day and completed every lap but one on a single set of Michelin slick tires. A sole lap on wet tires during a brief rain shower was the only time the team switched tires all day.
Motoyama completed the fastest lap of the day at 3 minutes, 47.980 seconds. The Nissan DeltaWing technical, team led by concept originator Ben Bowlby, believe they are comfortably within reach of their target pace of 3 minutes, 45 seconds as requested by race officials.
freedman said:
Personal thing, I think it looks ridiculus, and totally unlike a race car
If it were running at Bonneville it would look completely inkeeping, but it isnt
Others will no doubt think its a great piece of thinking and enjoy it though
Next years Project 56 is really going to offend you then If it were running at Bonneville it would look completely inkeeping, but it isnt
Others will no doubt think its a great piece of thinking and enjoy it though
hydrogen powered hotwheels thing
Some video from the day
Includes the delta Wing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhNpZb5IvJM
Pottolichio crash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuwmG33RgBM&fea...
Bad news for Oak racing with Guillaume Moreau hospitalised
http://www.oak-racing.com/news-en?lang=en
Includes the delta Wing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhNpZb5IvJM
Pottolichio crash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuwmG33RgBM&fea...
Bad news for Oak racing with Guillaume Moreau hospitalised
http://www.oak-racing.com/news-en?lang=en
v1nce said:
Apart from it having a somewhat (1975 Ligier?) extravagant air intake it at least looks like a carI was watching yesterday, the Delta wing looks a tad unstable. For most of the time in the fast right at the end of the pits the car was sat mid-track, suggesting that the drivers don't know which way it will jump.
On the exit of the Dunlop chicane, the car clearly understeered when power was applied. I also wonder, when they have to go for a gap, will they remember to choose one wide enough for the back end.
I think it will be a one-year wonder as I cannot imagine that Nissan want to be seen mixing it mid-LMP2s.
The Toyota sounds fabulous, but the whole Audi set-up looks so solid - again.
On the exit of the Dunlop chicane, the car clearly understeered when power was applied. I also wonder, when they have to go for a gap, will they remember to choose one wide enough for the back end.
I think it will be a one-year wonder as I cannot imagine that Nissan want to be seen mixing it mid-LMP2s.
The Toyota sounds fabulous, but the whole Audi set-up looks so solid - again.
rdjohn said:
I was watching yesterday, the Delta wing looks a tad unstable. For most of the time in the fast right at the end of the pits the car was sat mid-track, suggesting that the drivers don't know which way it will jump.
On the exit of the Dunlop chicane, the car clearly understeered when power was applied. I also wonder, when they have to go for a gap, will they remember to choose one wide enough for the back end.
I think it will be a one-year wonder as I cannot imagine that Nissan want to be seen mixing it mid-LMP2s.
The Toyota sounds fabulous, but the whole Audi set-up looks so solid - again.
Aren't they running an LMP2 (or smaller) engine?On the exit of the Dunlop chicane, the car clearly understeered when power was applied. I also wonder, when they have to go for a gap, will they remember to choose one wide enough for the back end.
I think it will be a one-year wonder as I cannot imagine that Nissan want to be seen mixing it mid-LMP2s.
The Toyota sounds fabulous, but the whole Audi set-up looks so solid - again.
In which case surely that fact that it's "mid LMP2" is a good sign for them as long as noone else is sandbagging more than they are.
Life Saab Itch said:
Aren't they running an LMP2 (or smaller) engine?
In which case surely that fact that it's "mid LMP2" is a good sign for them as long as noone else is sandbagging more than they are.
In which case surely that fact that it's "mid LMP2" is a good sign for them as long as noone else is sandbagging more than they are.
Highcroft Racing said:
The unique Nissan DeltaWing features half the weight, half the horsepower and half the aerodynamic drag of a typical prototype and is expected to enjoy significantly lower tire and fuel consumption.
Powered by a 300 horsepower 1.6 liter Nissan DIG-T turbocharged engine, the Nissan DeltaWing also features specially developed Michelin tires which are four inches wide at the front.
Powered by a 300 horsepower 1.6 liter Nissan DIG-T turbocharged engine, the Nissan DeltaWing also features specially developed Michelin tires which are four inches wide at the front.
Small engine plus they apparently only used one set of tyres all day (apart from the wets) and were still posting representative times all the way through. I've no doubt they will not be anywhere near the head of the LMP2 field during the race, but they have already said they they will be respectful of the race and keep out of the way, which is going to impact on laptimes.
Additionally they are reported to be unfortunately having gearbox issues which are unrelated to the design of the car.
Additionally they are reported to be unfortunately having gearbox issues which are unrelated to the design of the car.
Life Saab Itch said:
freedman said:
Personal thing, I think it looks ridiculus, and totally unlike a race car
If it were running at Bonneville it would look completely inkeeping, but it isnt
Others will no doubt think its a great piece of thinking and enjoy it though
I think that it's similar to the Porsche 911.If it were running at Bonneville it would look completely inkeeping, but it isnt
Others will no doubt think its a great piece of thinking and enjoy it though
The designer has set themselves a challenge by introducing a ridiculous design flaw that they then have to engineer out of the car as best they can.
Just think what they could have done if they'd gone for a conventional layout and applied the same thinking to that.
I applaud the Deltawing project and wish them well for the race.
SS7
shoestring7 said:
Except, far from being a 'flaw', the 911s layout gives big packaging benefits as well as some dynamic ones.
I applaud the Deltawing project and wish them well for the race.
SS7
If the rear engine concept isn't a flaw, how come more manufacturers don't use it?I applaud the Deltawing project and wish them well for the race.
SS7
Porsche have spent years perfecting a flawed concept. Think what they could do if they were to start from a clean sheet.
PW said:
Don't forget that the ACO gave them a target lap time, and despite running outside the rules, they are still officially limited on power and top speed.
They have also developed the car from scratch in 11 months, something none of the other teams have done - possible excepting the Pescarolo 03, which wasn't blisteringly fast either. I think they're pretty much where they expected to be.
The whole idea is to draw attention to the concept of using less fuel with a smaller engine, and less tyres with lighter weight, by having a radical, dramatic car.
They aren't seriously proposing that to achieve efficiency you need a totally impractical layout - it is helping them get attention and publicity, and stir up debate. Unfortunately you are always going to get people who get the wrong end of the stick entirely and focus on the wrong aspect, or look for it to fail when it doesn't achieve things it never set out to do. Of course you won't see it next year regardless of how well it performs - it was only invited for this year as a one off demonstration.
If you don't like it there will be 55 other cars going round to focus your attention on. To actively wish them to fail seems completely outside the spirit of Le Mans, and motorsport in general - especially for something as trivial as simply not liking how it looks.
I think that there is a lot of goodwill towards the delta wing car. They have also developed the car from scratch in 11 months, something none of the other teams have done - possible excepting the Pescarolo 03, which wasn't blisteringly fast either. I think they're pretty much where they expected to be.
The whole idea is to draw attention to the concept of using less fuel with a smaller engine, and less tyres with lighter weight, by having a radical, dramatic car.
They aren't seriously proposing that to achieve efficiency you need a totally impractical layout - it is helping them get attention and publicity, and stir up debate. Unfortunately you are always going to get people who get the wrong end of the stick entirely and focus on the wrong aspect, or look for it to fail when it doesn't achieve things it never set out to do. Of course you won't see it next year regardless of how well it performs - it was only invited for this year as a one off demonstration.
If you don't like it there will be 55 other cars going round to focus your attention on. To actively wish them to fail seems completely outside the spirit of Le Mans, and motorsport in general - especially for something as trivial as simply not liking how it looks.
The car is running as number 0 (New Tech). and it has some pretty talented drivers, but what is the point of it in terms of prototype racing? Its concept was meant for Indy on ovals. Do they ultimately expect to have a classification for DWPs; No.
At 575kg and a 40 litre tank, it is expensive and more than half of LPM2 targets (900kg; 75litres and selling price of €345,000), but it is only LMP1 that allows non-conventional cars, that is why it is car zero.
My observations were more about its stability, both on turn-in and exit. If it is unable to nibble at the heels of LMP1s, I do not see it having a future.
Life Saab Itch said:
shoestring7 said:
Except, far from being a 'flaw', the 911s layout gives big packaging benefits as well as some dynamic ones.
I applaud the Deltawing project and wish them well for the race.
SS7
If the rear engine concept isn't a flaw, how come more manufacturers don't use it?I applaud the Deltawing project and wish them well for the race.
SS7
Porsche have spent years perfecting a flawed concept. Think what they could do if they were to start from a clean sheet.
I've also heard that the layout makes the 911 racecars very tricky to drive. As the fuel load burns off the weight transfers to the back of the car making the front end get lighter. Combine that with the tyres wearing quicker at the back throughout the stint and the racecars can become very difficult to pedal quickly.
MissChief said:
The fact it took Porsche 30 years and huge amounts of computing power to 'fix' the issue says it all IMO.
I've also heard that the layout makes the 911 racecars very tricky to drive. As the fuel load burns off the weight transfers to the back of the car making the front end get lighter. Combine that with the tyres wearing quicker at the back throughout the stint and the racecars can become very difficult to pedal quickly.
30 years?I've also heard that the layout makes the 911 racecars very tricky to drive. As the fuel load burns off the weight transfers to the back of the car making the front end get lighter. Combine that with the tyres wearing quicker at the back throughout the stint and the racecars can become very difficult to pedal quickly.
I think you need to re check the 911's race victories over the decades a little more thoroughly
And I dont think there was much computing power in Vic Elfords Monte winning car do you
I'm not sure whether all people truly understand the point of 'Garage 56' - showing off new/ different technology. This is what the DeltaWing is. There has been quite a lot of comment about it, and not all has been positive. Personally, that's what I find great about Sportscars, the different solutions to problems - completely opposite to F1.
If the ACO are happy that the DW has met it's target time, then that's okay by me.
The battle for victory I still expect to be an Audi one. However, will it be the e-tron Quattro, or the Ultra? I wish the Toyota's all the best, will they go for a quick time in Qualifying? Will Audi let them claim pole and the publicity, knowing they're almost certain of winning the race, but can see the 'bigger picture' in terms of the health of the sport?
If the ACO are happy that the DW has met it's target time, then that's okay by me.
The battle for victory I still expect to be an Audi one. However, will it be the e-tron Quattro, or the Ultra? I wish the Toyota's all the best, will they go for a quick time in Qualifying? Will Audi let them claim pole and the publicity, knowing they're almost certain of winning the race, but can see the 'bigger picture' in terms of the health of the sport?
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