public is not interested in a fight of the tyre suppliers
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Apparently, according to Pirelli!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101680
nothing to do with if they had to go up against Bridgestone/Michelin/Goodyear/etc they would get slaughtered.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101680
nothing to do with if they had to go up against Bridgestone/Michelin/Goodyear/etc they would get slaughtered.
Scuffers said:
nothing to do with if they had to go up against Bridgestone/Michelin/Goodyear/etc they would get slaughtered.
How would we know?I mean if your basing that on the tyres they have provided the last 2 years. The ones that are deliberately designed to be tricky to work with. It would be a spectacularly daft thing to say. So presumably you are basing it on something sound?....
Scuffers said:
joewilliams said:
What makes you say that?
I'm not interested in seeing a return of the tyre wars. It was dull.
OK, I'll bite...I'm not interested in seeing a return of the tyre wars. It was dull.
define/explain dull in the context of a tyre war?
Now the tyres are made to meet FIA requirements so Pirelli make tyres that aren't as good in terms as performance as they could make if they wanted to / were allowed. There's now way they'd agree to make that sort of tyre if they were in competition with another maker, they'd make super-fast, low wear tyres again and we'd lose one of the more exciting aspects of F1 in 2012 (OK, maybe it was better last year).
Personally, all I hear when I hear MSC comment on these things is "oh please make it like 2003 again, I'd like a car I can power through maggots and becketts on endlessly grippy tyres, tonnes of downforce and traction control so I can keep my foot planted flat down and order my engineer to have my jet warmed whilst I take another win".
t they are designed to the spec that the FIA wanted. P-Jay said:
When we had the last one the development race was fierce and we ultimately ended up with some pretty amazing F1 rubber that could almost last a race in some cases and had quite unbelievable grip, but it made for dull racing because unlike now there were no operating windows at all, you had maybe half a lap after a pit when they were cold, but after that they were consistently brilliant.
not sure that's true of the years when we had proper competition?I certainly remember the races where the different makes of tyres went though different grip levels throughout their life (as a tyre), making the racing kind f interesting as to who could take advantage before their competitors tyres reached their peak performance etc.
My beef with single control tyre is that it's dullness personified, all the excitement we have had in the first half of the year has been about random tyre performance, which whilst great if you like random stuff, really isn't racing, the last couple of races seem to have settled down to the tyres being more predictable/consistent, and back to precession racing, all be it much slower than previous.
I've yet to see random this year? The team that does the best job over the weekend tends to win.
You might not like the idea that on the weekend one team will have a better setup/ability to use the tyre than another. But that's far from random.
At least though you've moved on from "lottery". Which would have had HRT in with a shot at winning. But random is not right either.
You might not like the idea that on the weekend one team will have a better setup/ability to use the tyre than another. But that's far from random.
At least though you've moved on from "lottery". Which would have had HRT in with a shot at winning. But random is not right either.
Lol, what is random about this season?
Are you implying that there is variation between sets of tyres? I've not seen evidence of that. I have seen lots of evidence of e.g Renault setting up for 32 degree heat, but then it being cold, or McLaren not being able to get the wets switched on etc. This might be new to modern F1, but in most series, getting the best out of a control tyre is the biggest part of it (esp with no warmers - go for early race glory and fade, or struggle then end the race fighting?).
I'm loving this season because for once it's not just an all out aero battle, with no variability. Finally, we have teams fighting teams, not just aerodynamicists fighting it out. This year, for the first time in ages, every part of the team has been pushed to the limit - which is exactly what I want to see as a punter on a saunday afternoon.
Are you implying that there is variation between sets of tyres? I've not seen evidence of that. I have seen lots of evidence of e.g Renault setting up for 32 degree heat, but then it being cold, or McLaren not being able to get the wets switched on etc. This might be new to modern F1, but in most series, getting the best out of a control tyre is the biggest part of it (esp with no warmers - go for early race glory and fade, or struggle then end the race fighting?).
I'm loving this season because for once it's not just an all out aero battle, with no variability. Finally, we have teams fighting teams, not just aerodynamicists fighting it out. This year, for the first time in ages, every part of the team has been pushed to the limit - which is exactly what I want to see as a punter on a saunday afternoon.
I don't have an issue with there being more than one manufacturer, anything that introduces another differentiating factor is likely to be a good thing IMO. Although the downside could be a return to one manufacturer placing all their support with one team, at the expense of the others.
Scuffers is right in this sense - if there were a tyre war Pirelli would have to produce a completely different tyre because their current tyre has been designed in the environment of having no competition.
But as they are at the moment the tyres are like a difficult circuit.. Takes a bit longer to master
But as they are at the moment the tyres are like a difficult circuit.. Takes a bit longer to master
Some Gump said:
I like the current tyres. No degredation and 1 stop strategies was dullesville - as a member of the public, i agree with pirelli.
Same here! As Pirelli say racing was dull with a tyre war and we gained nothing from it! How many people really buy their road tyres because a certain manufacturer won the championship?Gassing Station | General Motorsport | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff