FIA introduce huge F1 team entrance fee increase.
FIA introduce huge F1 team entrance fee increase.
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FourWheelDrift

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92,237 posts

313 months

Saturday 3rd November 2012
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Sounds like the FIA want to redecorate their HQ and stock it up with champagne going by their new entrance fee price hike.

This year every team paid a standard rate of 309,000 Euro ($397,899) to enter F1. From next year it will be based on a standard fee of $500,000 US plus $6000 US per point gained in the standings.

Which could mean if you took the 2011 total points as an example.

Autosport said:
Red Bull (650 points) $4.400 million
McLaren (497 points) $2.985 million
Ferrari (375 points) $2.375 million
Mercedes (165 points) $1.325 million
Lotus (73 points) $865,000
Force India (69 points) $845,000
Sauber (44 points) $720,000
Toro Rosso (41 points) $705,000
Williams (5 points) $525,000
Caterham (0 points) $500,000
HRT (0 points) $500,000
Marussia (0 points) $500,000

The updated Sporting Regulations do not lay out a final entry deadline for teams, but do state that teams must pay the entry fee by November 30.

The FIA's decision to increase entry fees comes amid a push by the governing body to increase the revenue it gets from the sport - with it believed to be chasing a total income of $40 million per season as part of a new commercial structure.

The total revenue generated by the entry fees will be at least $16.3 million, with AUTOSPORT also understanding that the governing body is close to agreeing a $24 million payment from commercial supremo Bernie Ecclestone as part of a Concorde Agreement deal.

These payments, allied to an increase in F1 Super Licence fees for drivers, will help the FIA hit its revenue target.
Don't you just love the FIA's idea of cost cutting.

hornet

6,333 posts

279 months

Saturday 3rd November 2012
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FourWheelDrift said:
Sounds like the FIA want to redecorate their HQ and stock it up with champagne going by their new entrance fee price hike.

This year every team paid a standard rate of 309,000 Euro ($397,899) to enter F1. From next year it will be based on a standard fee of $500,000 US plus $6000 US per point gained in the standings.
How convenient that we moved to the new 25 points for a win system eh?

Life Saab Itch

37,069 posts

217 months

Saturday 3rd November 2012
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Well they have other income after Moseley sold all their (considerable) assets for a pittance.

smack

9,773 posts

220 months

Saturday 3rd November 2012
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hornet said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Sounds like the FIA want to redecorate their HQ and stock it up with champagne going by their new entrance fee price hike.

This year every team paid a standard rate of 309,000 Euro ($397,899) to enter F1. From next year it will be based on a standard fee of $500,000 US plus $6000 US per point gained in the standings.
How convenient that we moved to the new 25 points for a win system eh?
Winning a race will COST you $150,000!

And the FIA will earn $606,000 in points fees per race..... nice!

dtrump

2,126 posts

220 months

Saturday 3rd November 2012
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FourWheelDrift said:
Don't you just love the FIA's idea of cost cutting.
crazy greedy people in high places

standard

zac510

5,546 posts

235 months

Saturday 3rd November 2012
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I understood from the news article that there are going to be more services provided to go with the price hike.

brierleys

237 posts

211 months

Saturday 3rd November 2012
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How does this compare to the TV revenue money and prize money they get back from the FIA?

Life Saab Itch

37,069 posts

217 months

Saturday 3rd November 2012
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brierleys said:
How does this compare to the TV revenue money and prize money they get back from the FIA?
That comes from FOM, not the FIA.

vrooom

3,763 posts

296 months

Saturday 3rd November 2012
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May richest team wins...

SamHH

5,078 posts

245 months

Saturday 3rd November 2012
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hornet said:
How convenient that we moved to the new 25 points for a win system eh?
Are you suggesting that the fees have been set without thought to the number of points awarded? I.e. that if the immediately previous points system had still been in place, that the fees per point would be the same, not higher?

Derek Smith

49,670 posts

277 months

Saturday 3rd November 2012
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Life Saab Itch said:
Well they have other income after Moseley sold all their (considerable) assets for a pittance.
That is the reason. They need income from somewhere and their incoe from F1 has dropped.

I would imagine thate concord agreemen migh ell have these fees included.

Ecclestone accused the FIA of tryin to live beyond their means when he had taken all their means.

The FIA increased super licences but that was a pittance to the money that went to Ecclestone.

MissChief

7,973 posts

197 months

Saturday 3rd November 2012
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Also it's been said that there are a few other things that they pay extra for which are incorporated into these fees so its not quite the huge extra expense everyone is saying it is. You know how some people say the rich and successful should pay more taxes? Same thing. smile

Scuffers

20,887 posts

303 months

Saturday 3rd November 2012
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why do the FIA need $40M+ PA?

just how many staff do they need?

seriously, for a sanctioning body that actually does very little, that's a lot of cash....

Life Saab Itch

37,069 posts

217 months

Saturday 3rd November 2012
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Scuffers said:
why do the FIA need $40M+ PA?

just how many staff do they need?

seriously, for a sanctioning body that actually does very little, that's a lot of cash....
I wonder if Mosley's golden goodbye had the Moncao flat included...

zac510

5,546 posts

235 months

Saturday 3rd November 2012
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Scuffers said:
why do the FIA need $40M+ PA?

just how many staff do they need?

seriously, for a sanctioning body that actually does very little, that's a lot of cash....
Out of all of the other sports they cover F1 is the only cash cow.

touring fan

376 posts

241 months

Sunday 4th November 2012
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the F1 teams don't have a problem with it;

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/8220906/Brawn...

Scuffers

20,887 posts

303 months

Sunday 4th November 2012
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zac510 said:
Out of all of the other sports they cover F1 is the only cash cow.
hardly...

and my point is what do they actually need the money for?

are the FIA now there to turn a profit?

will this mean that FIA fee's for other stuff will be reduced? (fat chance!)


AJS-

15,366 posts

265 months

Monday 5th November 2012
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I suppose the paying per point system is quite a neat way of getting the richer teams to pay more. However it seems a bit harsh on teams in the middle like Sauber and Force India who quietly rack up a good haul of points, but get only a fraction of the coverage of the likes of Ferrari and Red Bull.

Munter

31,331 posts

270 months

Monday 5th November 2012
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The teams get a pay out per point at the end of the season right? Is that bigger or smaller than the $6000 the FIA are asking?

Munter

31,331 posts

270 months

Monday 5th November 2012
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PW said:
Munter said:
The teams get a pay out per point at the end of the season right? Is that bigger or smaller than the $6000 the FIA are asking?
Joe Saward did a break down of prize money a few months ago - have a look at his blog.
Ah ha! So I was slightly mistaken I think. It's money based on championship position.

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2012/10/09/the-valu...

So last place in the table at the end of the year gets 4% of half the prize money pot (341 million in 2011). So over 13 million just for turning up and racing to be dead last. Enough to cover Red Bulls points tally from last year with some significant change left over.