Mysterious Percentages in F1-Racing magazine
Mysterious Percentages in F1-Racing magazine
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Tony2or4

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Thursday 24th January 2013
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In the current (Feb 2013) issue of F1 Racing magazine on page 19, they've got this little statistics feature entitled Germany still dominates the F1 field. In it they print the following figures:

Germany 36.9%
Britain 26.8%
Brazil 26.0%
Italy 18.6%
Spain 14.1%
Japan 10.9%
France 9.1%.

Then, by way of 'explaining' what these statistics refer to, they say "The figures show an average percentage of the best-represented nations on the grid" (since year 2000).

Right - does anybody understand what they're on about??

At first I thought it meant that if you listed all the drivers from all the races over the last 12 years, then 36.9% of them would be German, and so on. But that interpretation is stuffed by the fact that the listed figures total more than 100%.

Next idea was: perhaps they worked out the percentage of drivers from each country taking part in each race over the last 12 years, then averaged out the percentages for each country. But that one is also kiboshed by the total of the list exceeding 100%, because if you did that calculation for every single country then the total of their average percentages would be exactly 100.

So what the heck do those figures actually mean??
confused

Edited by Tony2or4 on Friday 25th January 14:39

Life Saab Itch

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217 months

Friday 25th January 2013
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Is it a crash.net sponsored page?

indigorallye

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254 months

Friday 25th January 2013
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Is the key word 'average'?

Tony2or4

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Friday 25th January 2013
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indigorallye said:
Is the key word 'average'?
May well be - but the average of what?

lauda

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Friday 25th January 2013
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I'm assuming they mean the number of drivers from each nation. Would make sense as there are typically quite a few Brits and Germans on the grid.

It certainly can't be anything to do with teams/engine suppliers otherwise the British element would be the largest by far and I doubt Brazil would feature at all.

Tony2or4

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Friday 25th January 2013
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lauda said:
I'm assuming they mean the number of drivers from each nation. Would make sense as there are typically quite a few Brits and Germans on the grid.

It certainly can't be anything to do with teams/engine suppliers otherwise the British element would be the largest by far and I doubt Brazil would feature at all.
Definitely just to do with drivers. But it's a question of what the figures actually represent - in other words, what did they calculate, in order to come up with those figures? As I mentioned in the OP, the 'obvious' possibilities don't work because the listed figures total more than 100%.

onesickpuppy

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Friday 25th January 2013
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Maybe it's their win/start percentage?

Tony2or4

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Friday 25th January 2013
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onesickpuppy said:
Maybe it's their win/start percentage?
I don't think it can be that, because it's supposed to be to do with actual appearances in races rather than success in races.

MagicalTrevor

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258 months

Friday 25th January 2013
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Tony2or4 said:
indigorallye said:
Is the key word 'average'?
May well be - but the average of what?
And which average!?

A9XXC

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Friday 25th January 2013
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Complete rubbish - if you use % the total HAS to be 100! They aren't even close.


tristancliffe

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Friday 25th January 2013
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Maybe it's per year, averaged.
So 4 of one nation in 2000, 3 of another, 1 of another...
Then do the same in 2001.
Then 2002...

Then average the totals for each nation for each year. Maybe the sum of the sums CAN be more than 100%?

Mr_Thyroid

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Friday 25th January 2013
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I don't reckon a single nation has had more than a quarter of all seats in any given year.


vonuber

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Friday 25th January 2013
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2011 had 6 Germans out of 24.

Mr_Thyroid

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Friday 25th January 2013
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That's a quarter, not more.

Tony2or4

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Friday 25th January 2013
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tristancliffe said:
Maybe it's per year, averaged.
So 4 of one nation in 2000, 3 of another, 1 of another...
Then do the same in 2001.
Then 2002...

Then average the totals for each nation for each year. Maybe the sum of the sums CAN be more than 100%?
No, the total will be exactly 100%.

FourWheelDrift

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Friday 25th January 2013
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They haven't included Finland, Venezuela, Mexico, Australia and other single driver nationalities.

tank slapper

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312 months

Friday 25th January 2013
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They are pointless numbers. The word 'average' is too vague to be informative. The common use definition refers to the arithmetic mean, but there are several other types of mean that could be used and the median and mode. Either the person who calculated them didn't know what he was doing, or the person writing the article didn't know how to interpret the data correctly and has written what he thinks it means.

Mojocvh

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291 months

Friday 25th January 2013
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Right, so some [quality] publication drones on about some stats that no one can quite comprehend the actual veracity of.


File under diligaf and move on to enjoying ice cream?


Tony2or4

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Friday 25th January 2013
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tank slapper said:
Either the person who calculated them didn't know what he was doing, or the person writing the article didn't know how to interpret the data correctly and has written what he thinks it means.
Yep, my thoughts exactly.
yes

A9XXC

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Saturday 26th January 2013
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vonuber said:
2011 had 6 Germans out of 24.
More than 24 different drivers per year in F1 - replacements due to injury or more commonly, money!