Max Chiltern the game is over?
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http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/17581/890...
"Learning year" isn't that the losers term for "I'm s
t, but trying". Sorry Max, your time is up. Jules wasted your ass, time to let Bird, Palmer, Harvey or Yelloly have a go, IMO of course.
Isn't he the only driver on the grid to be whopped 11 - 0 by his team mate in quali? I know Bianchi is highly rated by almost everyone, but if you want to be the best...
Never rated him in lesser formula, and apart from some clever maneuvering, I still wonder how he got the drive at Marussia.
Pity. He could've been another Martin Brundle if it wasn't for Bianchi, but it was.
"Learning year" isn't that the losers term for "I'm s
t, but trying". Sorry Max, your time is up. Jules wasted your ass, time to let Bird, Palmer, Harvey or Yelloly have a go, IMO of course. Isn't he the only driver on the grid to be whopped 11 - 0 by his team mate in quali? I know Bianchi is highly rated by almost everyone, but if you want to be the best...
Never rated him in lesser formula, and apart from some clever maneuvering, I still wonder how he got the drive at Marussia.
Pity. He could've been another Martin Brundle if it wasn't for Bianchi, but it was.
mattikake said:
I still wonder how he got the drive at Marussia.
Pity. He could've been another Martin Brundle if it wasn't for Bianchi, but it was.
He got the drive because his dad wrote a huge cheque. This is common knowledge. Pity. He could've been another Martin Brundle if it wasn't for Bianchi, but it was.
He isn't a Martin Brundle and was never, ever going to be. He isn't even a Johnnie Dumfries. Bianchi wasn't exactly viewed as the next big thing at FI, which makes Chilton's performance even worse.
However it seems that like Giedo, though to a lesser extent, the change in tyre construction from Hungary onwards has helped Chilton's performance relative to his team mate a bit.
designndrive62 said:
As well as handing over a huge amount of cash didnt chiltons dad actually buy a rather large stake in the team?
IIRC, Grahame Chilton acquired Carlin Motorsport a few years back but I read recently that he's had to bail the team out a few times to the tune of several million so I guess that the flow of money may need re-diverting.Ahonen said:
mattikake said:
I still wonder how he got the drive at Marussia.
Pity. He could've been another Martin Brundle if it wasn't for Bianchi, but it was.
He got the drive because his dad wrote a huge cheque. This is common knowledge. Pity. He could've been another Martin Brundle if it wasn't for Bianchi, but it was.
He isn't a Martin Brundle and was never, ever going to be. He isn't even a Johnnie Dumfries. Bianchi wasn't exactly viewed as the next big thing at FI, which makes Chilton's performance even worse.
However it seems that like Giedo, though to a lesser extent, the change in tyre construction from Hungary onwards has helped Chilton's performance relative to his team mate a bit.
The game is up? In what sense?
Bird et al - all good drivers, much better than Chilton. However, if they dont have the money, its not his problem is it?
Good luck to Chilton - hope he improves, and gets on a reasonable pace- good make a good journey if that suits him.
He doesnt go around claiming he is the next Senna - and always seems to be aiming to get closer to his team mate.
Fair play to guy, I like him. Well spoken, not a chav, and down to earth.
HF
Bird et al - all good drivers, much better than Chilton. However, if they dont have the money, its not his problem is it?
Good luck to Chilton - hope he improves, and gets on a reasonable pace- good make a good journey if that suits him.
He doesnt go around claiming he is the next Senna - and always seems to be aiming to get closer to his team mate.
Fair play to guy, I like him. Well spoken, not a chav, and down to earth.
HF
Ahonen said:
Bianchi wasn't exactly viewed as the next big thing at FI, which makes Chilton's performance even worse.
For what it's worth, I've been watching Bianchi for years and always thought he'd make it into F1.He's too young and inexperienced to replace Massa at Ferrari but if they could see past that for a year I'm sure he'd do very well.
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Bianchi is touted as a Massa replacement. If Chilton gets close to him (with a lot less experience of F1 testing)it will reflect well.
Chilton is a GP2 winner, he hasn't made many mistakes in his first F1 year and his pace is improving.
Yes, he is a pay-driver, but so are half the grid.
I agree that a more likely long term scenario is for the Chilton brothers to share a WTCC or WEC team, but in the meantime I hope Max gets a second year in F1. When you look at his predecessors such as di Grassi, Pic or d'Ambrosio he is at a similar level.
Chilton is a GP2 winner, he hasn't made many mistakes in his first F1 year and his pace is improving.
Yes, he is a pay-driver, but so are half the grid.
I agree that a more likely long term scenario is for the Chilton brothers to share a WTCC or WEC team, but in the meantime I hope Max gets a second year in F1. When you look at his predecessors such as di Grassi, Pic or d'Ambrosio he is at a similar level.
Redlake27 said:
Chilton is a GP2 winner, he hasn't made many mistakes in his first F1 year and his pace is improving.
Hasn't made any mistakes!?? He managed to have an accident with Maldonado that wasn't Maldonado's fault. Quite an acheivement!He wasn't at the right level for British F3 let alone F1
He's hardly set the world alight this year but then he is up against a highly regarded teammate and he does seem to have shown to slow but steady improvement over the last few races. Has he done enough to warrant a second year? Probably not when you consider the fact that there are crowds of talented young drivers snapping at each rookie's heels and the way the teams are always looking for the next Hamilton or Vettel which makes every rookie year in F1 into a sink or swim type scenario. That said there have been others that have been much more of a liability over the years - he's not one of these who is always crashing into other cars or stuffing it into the scenery.
He certainly doesn't deserve all the vitriol that gets directed at him in my opinion - it's not his fault that his father has money, how many of us can honestly say that we would have turned down parental funding in his place? Like it or not getting to F1 costs a serious amount of cash these days and he's far from the exception in having to bring money to the table to get himself a seat.
He certainly doesn't deserve all the vitriol that gets directed at him in my opinion - it's not his fault that his father has money, how many of us can honestly say that we would have turned down parental funding in his place? Like it or not getting to F1 costs a serious amount of cash these days and he's far from the exception in having to bring money to the table to get himself a seat.
I had a real-life debate with a chap down the pub about this recently.
I honestly think Chilton is an infinitely more credible F1 driver than many who've been given the tag 'pay driver' in the past. He's hardly Gianni Lavaggi is he?
The first time I saw him was his Silverstone LMS appearance in the Zytek alonside his brother - 2007 was it?. My recollection is that he was only 16 or 17 at the time and he looked to do a cracking job - clearly more talented than Tom. He looked a decent GP2 driver last season and outscored Calado (I realise JC was ill at the end of the season, but even so). He won feature races on merit. Save winning the championship, he couldn't have done much more.
This season, he's been half a second off Bianchi, but that's not a bad effort in the grand scheme of things. Bianchi, despite his slightly anomalous GP2 seasons, is clearly something of a prodigy and should have a decent F1 career ahead of him. I really think Chilton has looked respectable this year.
I honestly think Chilton is an infinitely more credible F1 driver than many who've been given the tag 'pay driver' in the past. He's hardly Gianni Lavaggi is he?
The first time I saw him was his Silverstone LMS appearance in the Zytek alonside his brother - 2007 was it?. My recollection is that he was only 16 or 17 at the time and he looked to do a cracking job - clearly more talented than Tom. He looked a decent GP2 driver last season and outscored Calado (I realise JC was ill at the end of the season, but even so). He won feature races on merit. Save winning the championship, he couldn't have done much more.
This season, he's been half a second off Bianchi, but that's not a bad effort in the grand scheme of things. Bianchi, despite his slightly anomalous GP2 seasons, is clearly something of a prodigy and should have a decent F1 career ahead of him. I really think Chilton has looked respectable this year.
Hub said:
He has been rather embarrassed by his team mate, but is he really much worse than, say, Narain Karthikeyan?
Can't say until you strap both of them into the same spec of car and let them go for it, but for my money Chilton would beat Karthikeyan in just about every circumstance.mattikake said:
Isn't he the only driver on the grid to be whopped 11 - 0 by his team mate in quali?
No. Webber and Gutierrez have not out-qualified their team mates in 2013. I'm sure Bianchi's engine blew up in Monaco qualifying, so I think Chilton out-qualified Bianchi that time, although he started on the grid behind him. Can't remember why.I wish him luck with his career. If I had access to that sort of money then I would be doing the same thing. He travels the world racing F1 cars, and one day he'll be able to tell stories that start with "back when I was an F1 driver..." while we sit reading on the internet about him being mocked because he has a rich father who enables him to do things many of us dream of.
HAHA he has a rich father. HAHAHAHA. Oh. I think he wins.
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