Brawn & Newey

[vonuber]

Given the list Gaz posted in the Newey thread:

2012- Newey
2011- Newey
2010- Newey
2009- Brawn (TP), Bigois & Zander
2008- Tombazis & Costa
2007- Tombazis & Costa
2006- Bell
2005- Bell
2004- Brawn & Byrne & Costa
2003- Brawn & Byrne
2002- Brawn, Byrne & Martinelli
2001- Brawn & Byrne
2000- Brawn & Byrne
1999- Brawn & Byrne
1998- Newey
1997- Newey & Head
1996- Newey & Head
1995- Brawn & Byrne
1994- Newey & Head
1993- Newey & Head
1992- Newey & Head

Is Brawn vs Newey the real rivalry of F1?

[CraigyMc]

vonuber said:

Given the list Gaz posted in the Newey thread:

2012- Newey
2011- Newey
2010- Newey
2009- Brawn (TP), Bigois & Zander
2008- Tombazis & Costa
2007- Tombazis & Costa
2006- Bell
2005- Bell
2004- Brawn & Byrne & Costa
2003- Brawn & Byrne
2002- Brawn, Byrne & Martinelli
2001- Brawn & Byrne
2000- Brawn & Byrne
1999- Brawn & Byrne
1998- Newey
1997- Newey & Head
1996- Newey & Head
1995- Brawn & Byrne
1994- Newey & Head
1993- Newey & Head
1992- Newey & Head

Is Brawn vs Newey the real rivalry of F1?

I'd characterise it as Newey versus anyone else...

[Some Gump]

Really? Brawn - Newey is 9-8 in Neweys favour. "everyone else" scores 4. I'd say that the OP got it pretty right...

Despite the "it's newey" view, I'm sure that he doesn't do much single handedly. IMO saying "brawn and head" is no different to "newey and team" - both have achieved great things in F1 and should be applauded, but neither has dominated to the extent that you can dismiss the other as inferior.
(all IMO, of course).

[Crafty_]

vonuber said:

Is Brawn vs Newey the real rivalry of F1?

Not really imho.

They do different jobs. Newey designs & builds, Brawn runs the operations, strategy (indirectly) setup etc

Would be interesting putting both in the same team. Have they ever worked at the same team at the same time ? AFAIK they haven't ?

[CraigyMc]

Crafty_ said:

Have they ever worked at the same team at the same time ? AFAIK they haven't ?

Not as far as I know, although they both worked for Williams early on.

C

[Life Saab Itch]

CraigyMc said:

Not as far as I know, although they both worked for Williams early on.

C

Brawn was at Williams in 1979. not sure when he left, but he was at the Beatrice haas team 85/86ish and Newey started at Williams in 1991 iirc.

I think that although they may be able to design cars, their strengths lie in being able to pull the best work and the best pieces together from all their departments and get the whole thing working as one. I would also suggest that in their current positions, Newey will have more "creative input" than Brawn as Brawn now seems to be purely management.

[vonuber]

Surprising then that the two have not joined forces.

[Some Gump]

vonuber said:

Surprising then that the two have not joined forces.

Have you never competed? You don't want to join forces with the best, you want to beat the best. You;re never satisfied with beating the 3rd place guy (unless you're mark webber).

[entropy]

vonuber said:

Surprising then that the two have not joined forces.

[CraigyMc]

entropy said:

vonuber said:

Surprising then that the two have not joined forces.

How bizarre. I had precisely the same thought last night but I was on the train and posting images from phones is a ballache so I didn't bother!

[groomi]

Perhaps Frank should dust off his chequebook and have one last roll of the dice...

[Simes205]

Didn't Brawn knock out the Jag XJR 8/9?

[groomi]

Simes205 said:

Didn't Brawn knock out the Jag XJR 8/9?

The dominant and long lived (in various guises) XJR-14

[realjv]

vonuber said:

Surprising then that the two have not joined forces.

I think Newey & Brawn were briefly together in 85/86 at FORCE.

[phatgixer]

Who needs Shuey when you have Adrian Newey?

[m444ttb]

groomi said:

Perhaps Frank should dust off his chequebook and have one last roll of the dice...

Wouldn't it be great!? I really hope Williams are back at the front one day.

[heebeegeetee]

Crafty_ said:

Not really imho.

They do different jobs. Newey designs & builds, Brawn runs the operations, strategy (indirectly) setup etc

That's been my understanding and I'm not sure Byrne is getting enough credit.

[Life Saab Itch]

Simes205 said:

Didn't Brawn knock out the Jag XJR 8/9?

I think they were.Tony Southgate designs.

[Jungles]

Gaz. said:

Brawn was co-designing all of his WCC winning cars with the possible exception of the BGP01 for which he isn't listed anywhere as a designer but I've included it as he was the team principle.

The BGP001 was designed by Jörg Zander, who was formerly the chief designer at Williams and BMW, before joining Honda. He carried on when Brawn bought out the team.

Interestingly, he left Brawn in June 2009, which is roughly about the time when they began losing their domination.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula...
http://www.f1network.net/main/s169/st146242.htm

With all due respect to Gaz, the list is a bit... weird. For example, it lists Newey for Red Bull's creations, but fails to list Rob Marshall as chief designer and Peter Prodromou as head of aerodynamics. The list should at least be consistent across the years, instead of cherry-picking the people involved.

Edited by Jungles on Saturday 14th September 00:02

[Jungles]

Fair enough. I forgot the context in the other thread.