Mosler piccies from Castle Combe on sleepy-fish
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Supporting the Eclipse Motorsport team with Phil Keen and Steve Hyde yesterday at Castle Combe in the GT race.
Have lots of other photographs, but here's a selection of the Mosler in action.
[pic]http://www.sleepy-fish.com/images/Castle_Combe_GT/Mosler_MT900R_Castle%20Combe_87c.jpg[/pic]
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[pic]http://www.sleepy-fish.com/images/Castle_Combe_GT/Mosler_MT900R_Castle%20Combe_76.jpg[/pic]
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[pic]http://www.sleepy-fish.com/images/Castle_Combe_GT/Mosler_MT900R_Castle%20Combe_37.jpg[/pic]
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[pic]http://www.sleepy-fish.com/images/Castle_Combe_GT/Mosler_MT900R_Castle%20Combe_86c.jpg[/pic]
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The rest are here.
Broadband:
http://www.sleepy-fish.com/CastleCombeGTJune05.htm
Dialup:
http://www.sleepy-fish.com/d/CastleCombeGTJune05.htm
Enjoy
LB:)
Have lots of other photographs, but here's a selection of the Mosler in action.
[pic]http://www.sleepy-fish.com/images/Castle_Combe_GT/Mosler_MT900R_Castle%20Combe_87c.jpg[/pic]
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[pic]http://www.sleepy-fish.com/images/Castle_Combe_GT/Mosler_MT900R_Castle%20Combe_76.jpg[/pic]
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[pic]http://www.sleepy-fish.com/images/Castle_Combe_GT/Mosler_MT900R_Castle%20Combe_37.jpg[/pic]
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[pic]http://www.sleepy-fish.com/images/Castle_Combe_GT/Mosler_MT900R_Castle%20Combe_86c.jpg[/pic]
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The rest are here.
Broadband:
http://www.sleepy-fish.com/CastleCombeGTJune05.htm
Dialup:
http://www.sleepy-fish.com/d/CastleCombeGTJune05.htm
Enjoy
LB:)
Is a fantaistic car - first time I have really managed to see it in the GT's (which is shocking as I am at every round).
What amazed me is how it put the lap times in and didn't appear to be shouting about it. The ferarris scream past, the Morgan sounds frankly ridiculous, but this thing just burbles by. I would have said that he was on a sunday drive until noticing that the lap times were a good 12 seconds quicker than we were managing, and very compeititive (despite being screwed by the safety car) to the infinitely more relevent other GT2 runners.
What amazed me is how it put the lap times in and didn't appear to be shouting about it. The ferarris scream past, the Morgan sounds frankly ridiculous, but this thing just burbles by. I would have said that he was on a sunday drive until noticing that the lap times were a good 12 seconds quicker than we were managing, and very compeititive (despite being screwed by the safety car) to the infinitely more relevent other GT2 runners.
'Tis very nice. Never really liked the look of the Mosler in previous years, always thought it a bit understyled next to the prettier Saleens, but both Eclipse and Cadena's look the biz this year. Fluoro top isn't particularly camera friendly tho, especially paired with the Castle Combe sunshine.
Selection of our pics are online now at MSportUK.com.
Anyone know what this scrawl is all about?...
Selection of our pics are online now at MSportUK.com.
Anyone know what this scrawl is all about?...
Was it purely a price decision? Surely Sonoco 105 would be better to run a race engine on that Optimax, or is there something in the Optimax additive pack that makes Porkers growl? Admittedly for 'normal' cars you wouldn't see a benefit, but you can't over-octane a petrol can you? I know my car ran fantastically smoothly on 'special' post-treated Optimax.
>> Edited by MSportUK on Monday 27th June 23:23
>> Edited by MSportUK on Monday 27th June 23:23
Taken from DailySportscar.com
"British GT Championship – Castle Combe - Sunday Morning Notes
These Fuellish Things
There were major rumblings in the GT3 paddock over the Sunoco control fuel this morning, some of the cars (both Motorbase / Quaife cars, the Team Parker Porsche and the #16 Damax Ferrari) finding that their ECUs find the fuel too rich when the cars are driven hard, the symptom apparently being a gradual shutdown of the ECU, with revs limited dramatically as the problem worsens (usually after around 15 minutes).
The division of opinion is between those who are requesting a dispensation to switch to Shell Optimax fuel (which gives no such problem) and those who feel that the regulations are clear, and that they have done significant work on their own cars to enable them to run well on the Sunoco fuel.
One GT3 team principal said today: “The Sunoco fuel is good stuff, whenever we have dyno’d the engine running on it we get more power. The problem is that the standard ECUs in some of the cars can’t deal with it and they shut down. The plain fact is though that the fuel was well known before the season and the cars should comply.”
The solution offered by the Championship organisers was that those cars which are still struggling on the Sunoco fuel would be allowed to run with Optimax pump fuel, but would not be eligible for points in the Championship.
Team Parker initially decided that this was unacceptable and were to withdraw from the meeting, but at the last minute were persuaded to compete, allegedly bribed by Motorbase’s Dave Bartram “with a box of teacakes and a packet of fruit pastilles.”
The team complain that they have already lost one engine to the problem (at Donington Park) and feel that a sensible compromise should be reached, particularly as the Optimax fuel is likely to cost them at least 10 bhp. The RPM Motorsport Porsche (not present this weekend) is understood to be out of action with a similar engine failure, the same cause suspected.
Bizarrely the problem apparently affects one of the Damax cars, (the red #16 car), but not the identically spec’d black #15 car. The Damax car and the #23 Motorbase Quaife car would start today’s race on the Sunoco fuel (as would the #30 Team Parker car), but the #96 Motorbase car would start on Optimax and therefore not be eligible for points: the team though wanted to be sure of a finish to get more miles on the experimental Quaife sequential shift fitted to #96 and the comparative data from both cars will no doubt prove useful too."
LB
"British GT Championship – Castle Combe - Sunday Morning Notes
These Fuellish Things
There were major rumblings in the GT3 paddock over the Sunoco control fuel this morning, some of the cars (both Motorbase / Quaife cars, the Team Parker Porsche and the #16 Damax Ferrari) finding that their ECUs find the fuel too rich when the cars are driven hard, the symptom apparently being a gradual shutdown of the ECU, with revs limited dramatically as the problem worsens (usually after around 15 minutes).
The division of opinion is between those who are requesting a dispensation to switch to Shell Optimax fuel (which gives no such problem) and those who feel that the regulations are clear, and that they have done significant work on their own cars to enable them to run well on the Sunoco fuel.
One GT3 team principal said today: “The Sunoco fuel is good stuff, whenever we have dyno’d the engine running on it we get more power. The problem is that the standard ECUs in some of the cars can’t deal with it and they shut down. The plain fact is though that the fuel was well known before the season and the cars should comply.”
The solution offered by the Championship organisers was that those cars which are still struggling on the Sunoco fuel would be allowed to run with Optimax pump fuel, but would not be eligible for points in the Championship.
Team Parker initially decided that this was unacceptable and were to withdraw from the meeting, but at the last minute were persuaded to compete, allegedly bribed by Motorbase’s Dave Bartram “with a box of teacakes and a packet of fruit pastilles.”
The team complain that they have already lost one engine to the problem (at Donington Park) and feel that a sensible compromise should be reached, particularly as the Optimax fuel is likely to cost them at least 10 bhp. The RPM Motorsport Porsche (not present this weekend) is understood to be out of action with a similar engine failure, the same cause suspected.
Bizarrely the problem apparently affects one of the Damax cars, (the red #16 car), but not the identically spec’d black #15 car. The Damax car and the #23 Motorbase Quaife car would start today’s race on the Sunoco fuel (as would the #30 Team Parker car), but the #96 Motorbase car would start on Optimax and therefore not be eligible for points: the team though wanted to be sure of a finish to get more miles on the experimental Quaife sequential shift fitted to #96 and the comparative data from both cars will no doubt prove useful too."
LB
MSportUK said:
Was it purely a price decision? Surely Sonoco 105 would be better to run a race engine on that Optimax, or is there something in the Optimax additive pack that makes Porkers growl? Admittedly for 'normal' cars you wouldn't see a benefit, but you can't over-octane a petrol can you? I know my car ran fantastically smoothly on 'special' post-treated Optimax.
>> Edited by MSportUK on Monday 27th June 23:23
remeber formular shell? (and why it was withdrawn??)
you can't make assumptions that just because it's highline octane is higher, it's a better fuel, there is more to it than this.
in an ideal world, the engine should be run on whatever it was built/mapped for, and I can see why teams are baulking at this, for a GT-3 Porka, who exactly has the tools to re-map the ECU to the same standard as the factory, and even if this could be done (without ECU change to ANO aftermarket type) this is hardly a cheap thing to do.
couple this with that fact that if you want to then use the car in ANO serise, you then have a fuel problem as 99.99% of serise are fuel restricted to <100 RON (as per Blue book) and you have juts had it re-mapped for Sunco...
British GT has run on a control fuel for years, just like the FIA GT series and Le Mans etc, etc. The problem, as I understand it, seems to afflict certain '03 spec Cup Porsches. The fuel hasn't changed and seems to work okay in all the other Porsches on the GT3 grid.
A control fuel is generally a good thing and offers a level playing field for everyone, without us having to play around with additives etc.
The cars in question couldn't score points because the regulations clearly specify the control fuel. If you run something else you're not complying with the regs - irrespective of the possible performance disadvantage.
A control fuel is generally a good thing and offers a level playing field for everyone, without us having to play around with additives etc.
The cars in question couldn't score points because the regulations clearly specify the control fuel. If you run something else you're not complying with the regs - irrespective of the possible performance disadvantage.
scuffham said:
you can't make assumptions that just because it's highline octane is higher, it's a better fuel, there is more to it than this.
Yeah, I understand that, the world of fuels is a dark and mysterious one. Just seemed odd that a Ferrari race engine would have trouble using a race fuel, and particularly odd that only one of them had an issue too - possibly something else at play with the red Damax car? Also, why has this issue come about now? Have these same cars not been using this fuel all season, and last season too? Or was it always an issue, but people are just realising?
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